ARC TBC - John Dunn, father of Jesse Dunn

[Northern Lass]

Thanks to RF for looking this one up it isnt the 1843 one as that one is aged 7


St Andrew Netherton John DUNN Netherton Died 27 Oct 1843 Buried 27 Oct 1843 Age 7yrs reg at St Andrew

There is this one
1847
DUNN John Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/017/406
but needs to be aged between 60+-70+ as aged 70 on census

I find it is best not to give them the ref no when ordering via Dudley unless you are certain that the entry is yours
they are normally pretty good and will have a search a few years either side of a death

that 1847 you could say you only want it if such and such a thing and state your criteria but DONT give that ref no
in fact I wouldnt say a year just between 1841 and 1851

[Northern Lass]

This is the GRO link
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certi ... efault.asp

I order online all mine either GRo or local regis office
much better than that price on Ancestry

[Northern Lass]

Hi BG
Fs aka Farside has found this link on Genes reunited might be worth getting in touch with them
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/b ... ead/422623

This John has a brother Jesse.....family name?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =429195500

do we have this John and family on 1841 or his occup on kids marriages
or any bapts for the kids?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =662617955

-on Hezekiahs John father nailer
Marriage details:-
Clent Page 118 No 235 by Banns 18 MAR 1844
Hezekiah Dunn Full Bach Nailor Rowley Regis - John Dunn Nailer
Jane Forest Full Spinster Nailor - Timothy Forest Chain Maker
Wits - John Robins Sarah Robins

Hezekiah was the only one to sign his own name

[peterd]

im a member of genes will send email


its 2004 but sent email

[Bibliogirl]

Thank you both for the Genes info and posting a message!

I hope to get back on later today, but packing for trip right now...you "guys" are just terrific!

Best, Lora

[Northern Lass]

Thank you both for the Genes info and posting a message!

I hope to get back on later today, but packing for trip right now...you "guys" are just terrific!

Best, Lora

Hey Lora did you get around to ordering those certifs? just wondered .....

[Bibliogirl]

No, not yet...we've been recovering from a flood in our main library for the last week so i haven't had time and i won't be able to from a hotel's open network for the next 4 days...so if you could hold off on archiving this discussion a bit longer i'd really appreciate it.

Thanks, Lora

[Northern Lass]

no probs

[Bibliogirl]

I think the posting on Genes is from Irene if i remember correctly. She now lives in France and did not have any additional information at that point, except that (if i'm remembering correctly) that her third great grandmother died of TB...this is my 3rd gg Keturah's sister.

[Bibliogirl]

Looking forward to diving back into this over the weekend. Thanks for holding off on the archiving!
Lora

[Northern Lass]

Looking forward to diving back into this over the weekend. Thanks for holding off on the archiving!
Lora

and me! very interesting thread this one is

[Bibliogirl]

Hi BG


This John has a brother Jesse.....family name?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =429195500

do we have this John and family on 1841 or his occup on kids marriages
or any bapts for the kids?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =662617955

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Well, i spent a few hours yesterday reviewing all of the John Dunn data and doing some new searches on John Dunns in the area around 1841. I still don't feel like we've found our man, but the one above may be the closest (even though not a gardener, the years work out and the odd years for the christening records for the children would explain the lack of christening record for Jesse - looked a couple up on the BMD) and then the John and Sarah (but they don't feel right to me for some reason).

I'm also still not convinced we should eliminate the John Dunn and Lydia Taylor yet.

I'm actually starting to wonder if Jesse's father died young and he was raised elsewhere or his mother remarried...it might explain the lack of a christening record for him.

However, i'm going to order a couple of documents to see what clues we might find. I'll let you know if i get any definitive clues. Much thanks, Lora

[Bibliogirl]

Ok, now this is VERY interesting. I just got the data for a John Dunn's birth 4 Jan 1817, parents John and Sarah Dunn, from the BMD. What I noticed though is that the "ceremony was performed by John Dunn", so I looked at the actual document (more points of course ) and all the birth registrations on the page were registered by John Dunn, Protestant Dissenting Minister. So either this is Jesse (baptised as John) or John and Sarah aren't his right parents. AND, is this John Dunn the father, also the minister?

Piece Description Register of Births at the Baptist Chapel of Clent, Staffordshire from 1807 to 1836
TNA Reference RG4 / Piece 2718 / Folio 7
[Chapel/Registry]
Full Name John Dunn
Date of Birth 4 January 1817
Place of Birth Brettle Lane
Birthplace Brettle Lane
Place of Abode
Parish of Abode Kingswinford
County of Abode Staffordshire
Registration Date
Registration Town/County Clent, Staffordshire
Ceremony Performed by John Dunn
Parents
Father * John Dunn
Father's Profession
Mother * Sarah Dunn

[Bibliogirl]

Do any of your know what the religious climate would have been like in the early 1800's? Jesse was married in what I'm assuming is Church of England (parish church of Kingswinford - records at Holy Trinity Church of Wordsley), but waited to christen his 4 children until 1852 in the Church of England (Kingswinford & St. Mary's Chapelry).

IF his father was a baptist minister, and they were estranged, could he have changed his name? What about listing his father as a gardener on his marriage certificates?

I've found two articles listing Jesse as a prominent member of a local conservative group in the 1870's...where does this fit in?

I'm afraid I don't know enough about the religious and political climate to make any connections here.

Another odd thing is that I have been trying to track down his son Henry. I found one possibility that he had become a Baptist minister with a daughter named Jessie if I remember correctly.

Any thoughts?

[Bibliogirl]

groom's name: John Dun
bride's name: Sarah Schaw
marriage date: 1794
marriage place: Clent, Worcester, England
indexing project (batch) number: M03517-2
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1042160
reference number: 2:R5ZV37