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Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:31 pm
by kdwoodie
Northern Lass wrote:For me the marriage says it all
Mary who married James Raybould was a spinster a Mary brettell
then Mary Brettell married Thomas Manger.
Which James ? the son of Joseph and Diana would be too young if born 1815
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:11 pm
by Northern Lass
I know just adding him as a stand alone guy ...they are the best!
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:12 pm
by Northern Lass
kdwoodie wrote:Northern Lass wrote:For me the marriage says it all
Mary who married James Raybould was a spinster a Mary brettell
then Mary Brettell married Thomas Manger.
Which James ? the son of Joseph and Diana would be too young if born 1815
we dont know who the James who married Mary Brettell belongs to yet
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:27 pm
by Northern Lass
I think this proves it is Mary Brettell
sister Lucy with her
1841 Lawrence Lane Rowley Regis
Thomas Manger 40 shoe maker n
Mary Manger 35
William Manger 8
David Manger 4
/Lucy? Brettle 45
James Brettle 20 chain m
all others born in County
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:28 pm
by Northern Lass
Witness for marriage of Thomas Manger is a Brettle
Worcestershire Halesowen
St John the Baptist
Marriage date 8 Apr 1833
Groom forename Thomas
Groom surname MANGER
Groom parish Otp
Groom condition Wdower
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname RAYBOLD
Bride parish Otp
Bride condition Widow
Witness1 Solomon BRETTLE
Witness2 George G FIDDIAN
poss
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =378809056
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:44 pm
by Northern Lass
Birth Certif info for Charles
26 Sept 1840 at Lutterworth
Charles male
Father George Manger
mother Mary Manger formerly Bate
occup of father Brickmaker
informant X of Mary Manger mother Lutterworth.
Regis at Lutterworth Leicester
I must have sent for this cerif ages ago...
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:50 pm
by kdwoodie
On 1861 it says son, Sorry I'm lost
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:53 pm
by Northern Lass
kdwoodie wrote:On 1861 it says son, Sorry I'm lost
on the 1851 there is a David Manger aged 5 ...again no birth for mother Brettell
and 1861 Charles Manger son aged 19
I think maybe they are nephews of Thomas Manger taken in by Mary Brettell ..maybe father died.
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:00 pm
by kdwoodie
Is this a coincidence
Staffordshire Kingswinford St MaryRegister
Marriage date 01 Aug 1830
Groom forename William
Groom surnameRAYBOULD
Groom abode Kingswinford
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname BATE
Bride abode Kingswinford
Witness 1 Hannah WOODALL
Witness 2 John WOODALL
Notes Groom and both witnesses sign by mark
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:06 pm
by Northern Lass
that is a good find....
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:09 pm
by Waltzer7
Name Mary Raybold
Baptism 18 Mar 1812 Cradley, Staffordshire, England Different
Birth 3 Sep 1804
Father Joseph Raybold Match
Mother Diana Raybold
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:10 pm
by Frodo
On the 1851 Census I have David is 14, there is another son James age 5.
Definitely the correct family and address.
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:12 pm
by Northern Lass
Waltzer7 wrote:Name Mary Raybold
Baptism 18 Mar 1812 Cradley, Staffordshire, England Different
Birth 3 Sep 1804
Father Joseph Raybold Match
Mother Diana Raybold
that is this one
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =517094334
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:13 pm
by Frodo
Still don't know who Thomas was married to before Mary, definitely says widower.
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:13 pm
by kdwoodie
Ok these have me stumped
Quarry Bank
Christ Church
Parish Register
Register entry number 57
Marriage date 22 Jan 1856
David RAYBOULD full age widower No business Quarry Bank Humphrey RAYBOULD Labourer
Anna NEWTON full age widow Quarry Bank
Bride father forename ?
Bride father surname ?
Bride father occupation ?
Witness 1 ? ?
Notes Groom & Brides fathers details not recorded - reads dec'd. No witnesses present-the parties declined to bring any. Groom & Bride sign X
Dudley
St Thomas
Unspecified
Register entry number 223
Marriage date 19 Nov 1809
Humphrey RAYBOULD Dudley Widower
Sarah DAVIES Dudley Widow
Witness 1 Elizabeth TAYLOR
Witness 2 Mark BOND
Notes Banns. Mark BOND Was The Clerk