*Archived tbc* -Staff Record Office-Criminal Look Up Needed

Acorna · Post by **Acorna** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:57 pm

Hi All

I'm Ray and I'm new to this forum. I must say it looks very interesting.

I've been doing a tree for a friend and have come across a young lady in County Prison Staffordshire and I was wondering if someone may be able to help me out. I'm in Devon and cannot get to Staffordshire records due to work. My friend would like to know why she is in prison. My hope is that somebody here may have the time & inclination to do some research for me.

The young lady in question is MARY TUNNICLIFF b 1821 in Burslem, Staffs. She can be found in the County Prison, Staffs in the 1841 Census, her occupation was Servant. She was released before 4Q 1843 as she married a George Smith in Stoke on Trent at that time.

Thanks in advance for any help.

While I'm here, I get the impression that you are trying to create a huge Black Country tree. If I am correct and my research would help you out please let me know or point me in the correct direction to add any data I have.

Regards
Ray

Jimmy · Post by **Jimmy** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:05 pm

Hi Ray,
Welcome to the site, I can't see a Mary but there are some Tunnicliffs on this link.

http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealog ... taffs..htm

Just click on Staffs Calender of Prisoners.
and there is a file on prisoners.

peterd · Post by **peterd** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:13 pm

there some crime and punishment in our links in the main section dont know if any one goes to stafford but there's info on contacting the archives in one of the links NL (Northern Lass) deals with the BCC tree enquiries, pm her or she will proberly contact you when she sees your post

Acorna · Post by **Acorna** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:58 pm

Thanks Jimmy, very interesting file. But no Mary as you say.

Thanks Peter, I'll look at that.

Ray

Northern Lass · Post by **Northern Lass** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:49 pm

Hi Ray
welcome to the forum :grin:

I think I contacted Staffs about one of my Criminal ancestors a while back and they were very very helpful
So they may be worth an email.
You could also put a post under look up requests and if anyone is going to staffs they may be able to look.
But as Pete says not sure if anyone goes to Staffs....but hey if you don't ask you don't get!

re the Black Country Connections tree this is a tree started by my cousin Gardener and I ,so do send me a pm and I will let you
know how we work it.

:wink:

Footnote...

here is the Staffs link
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/

they mentioned to me an admissions and discahrges registers but not sure which years are covered
also I think they actually have photos of some of the prisoners

What about the national archives which may help you with Staffs records and dates etc

or they gave me this .....
Online catalogue: http://www.archives.staffordshire.gov.uk/

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/default.asp

.

linell · Post by **linell** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:53 pm

Hi all, I am going to Stafford Archives this coming week. I have this list on their Prison Holdings:-

Staffordshire Record Office holds the following prison records:
Stafford Bridewell Register, 1792-1806
Stafford House of Correction Register, 1806-1815
Stafford Register of Debtors, 1793-1807
Stafford Register of Felons, 1793-1816
HM Prison, Stafford, Registers, Admission and Discharge Books, 1878-1908
HM Prison, Stafford, Photograph Album of Prisoners, 1883-19

Nothing there for 1843 but I will ask and get back to you from linell.

FarSide · Post by **FarSide** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:51 am

Hi Linnell

In the Prison Holdings list - would there be anything referring to the Hangmen, I'm especially interested in one George Incher he was hangman at Stafford between 1875 - 1881, I have several George's in my tree, 2 of them could be this hangman, one was my 3xGrandfather, the second was a 2nd G Granduncle, I have never been able to connect these George's to the hangman role, I've read just about everything on the net there is on the hangmen of Dudley/Stafford.

Cheers

linell · Post by **linell** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:44 am

Hi FS will ask about George Incher when I go, am hoping to go Tuesday. I have some pictures of Prisoners if any of these connect to anyone PM me with your email address:-

Joseph Gratton a Miner aged 64 when arrested in Stoke in 1883. He had stolen a Bucket, Hammer and Trowel, sentenced to 6 months hard labour.
Amelia May aged 60 in 1883 Stoke. Had stolen Ã‚Â£2.5s from a Wm Cooper, sentenced to 2 months hard labour.
Patrick McMahon aged 19 and James Dinwiddy aged 17 arrested with Will Beck at West Bromwich. Charged with stealing three rugs and two brass candlesticks from George Tangye of Handsworth, all given hard labour in 1886.
Caroline Pulley aged 39 in 1885. Charged with stealing coal at Brierley Hill, sentenced to 9 months hard labour.
Also pictures with not much detail of a Ellen Flaherty aged 46, six months for stealing a vest. Mary Rooney 20, 6 months for fraud.
Thomas Tagg 18, 6 months for fraud. Ann Hurst 47, 4 months for stealing boots. Josiah Dale 21, 6 months for stealing a watch.

Acorna · Post by **Acorna** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:54 am

Thank you NL I will wait and see what Linnell comes up with before contacting them.

Linnell , thank you very much for your offer of help. It is greatly appreciated.

NL, I will have a look through your site and see if I have anything that may link to your BC Tree. I'll contact you soon.

Regards
Ray

Northern Lass · Post by **Northern Lass** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:58 am

No problem Ray look forward to hearing from you.

I am now moving this to the Look up Requests

and Linell you are a star thank you :wink:

linell · Post by **linell** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:06 pm

Hi Ray, I checked the Calendar of Prisoners for Mary Tuncliffe 1843 and she wasn't there. I spoke to the Archivist, she said that if Mary had been sentenced by the Petty Sessions these records were not kept. The Archivist said that Mary may have been in for only a few weeks, maybe as a Debtor, these were not recorded. So sorry no great scandal to report on :!:

Best Wishes from linell.

Acorna · Post by **Acorna** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:21 pm

Linell

Thank you very much for asking it is very much appreciated. If there is ever anything I can help you with please feel free to ask.

Regards
Ray

linell · Post by **linell** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:24 am

Thanks Ray, sorry there was nothing more to find, at least you know Mary wasn't locked up for something terrible! Best Wishes from Linell.

Acorna · Post by **Acorna** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:48 am

at least you know Mary wasn't locked up for something terrible

The lady whose tree she's from actually wanted some scandal :lol:

Ray

linell · Post by **linell** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:07 am

Acorna wrote:
at least you know Mary wasn't locked up for something terrible

The lady whose tree she's from actually wanted some scandal

Ray

<LOL> Ray............

FS I asked the Archivist about your George Incher, she said the Hangman's records would be held by whoever they worked for, i.e. The Parish, The Court or The Government, you need to find out who employed them to get any info. HTH linell.

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