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I have done a look up and I now have more questions than answers.... :shock:

I think that this Emma Rose is the sister of Hannah Rose who married Meshach Hackett here...

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =558140948

On the 1881 census there are 2 kids with Meshach and Hannah an Emma b abt 1864 and a William b1873
all in the notes.

There is a bapt on IGI for an Emma b 1864
not sure where as although extracted just says Worcs no church... odd that.

Father is a William

I wonder if it is the lot on the 1851 I found Quinton Halesowen.
Something aint rite though on it being this William and Jane.

I would like to find the Father of Emma and Hannah Rose and his wife

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Re: Emma Rose b abt 1845

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This family have a Hannah but no Emma?
1851 Webbs Green Cottages Manor Lane Halesowen
Charles Rose HD 48 Nailor Lapal
Elizabeth Wife 49 Lapal
Levi Son U 22 Lapal
Ann D U 17 Lapal
Felix Son 15 Lapal
Mirah D 13 Lapal
Eliza D 11 Lapal
Hannah D 9 Lapal
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This family have an Emma but no Hannah.
1851 Lower Quinton
Wm Rose HD 36 Nail Forger Halesowen
Elisabeth Wife 33 Nail Forger Halesowen
Sarah DA U 16 Nail Forger Halesowen
Joseph Son 13 Nail Forger Halesowen
Emma DA 10 Nail Forger Halesowen
George Son 8 Nail Forger Halesowen
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linell wrote:This family have an Emma but no Hannah.
1851 Lower Quinton
Wm Rose HD 36 Nail Forger Halesowen
Elisabeth Wife 33 Nail Forger Halesowen
Sarah DA U 16 Nail Forger Halesowen
Joseph Son 13 Nail Forger Halesowen
Emma DA 10 Nail Forger Halesowen
George Son 8 Nail Forger Halesowen


that is the one Linell I saw and think it could be that one but as you say no Hannah

I still believe they are sisters cos of the 2 Andrews kids with Hannah and Meshach in 1881 but starting to doubt this now.
Both have Wm as father
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Extracted,

EMMA ROSE.
Christening, 05 JUL 1840. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
WILLIAM ROSE.
ELIZABETH.
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Extracted.

HANNAH ROSE.
Christening, 30 OCT 1842. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
CHARLES ROSE.
ELIZABETH.
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All extracted. looks like Charles and William could be brothers.

CHARLES ROSE.
Christening, 19 FEB 1804. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
JOSEPH ROSE.
HANNAH.

WILLIAM ROSE.
Christening, 28 MAY 1815. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
JOSEPH ROSE.
HANNAH.

But also,

WILLIAM ROSE.
Christening, 10 MAY 1814, Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
GEORGE ROSE.
HANNAH.
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Wot you thinkin on this Jimmy cos it has foxed me with these 2 Emma and Hannah

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Hi NL,
I thought that they may have been cousins till I saw,

But also,

WILLIAM ROSE.
Christening, 10 MAY 1814, Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
GEORGE ROSE.
HANNAH.
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hmmm....

I need to get the census for these lot 1841 and 1851 and see if a William Rose b abt 1820 or maybe earlier has kids incl Emma and Hannah

or can anyone see them on those census please.

or a bapt for them both ...or anything :(
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NL,
Have you seen who were the parents on this marriage to confirm Hannah's father.

HANNAH ROSE.
MESHACK HACKETT.
Marriage, 07 OCT 1863. Halesowen, Worcester,
Husband Age at Marriage: 21
Wife Age at Marriage: 19
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I can only see these two with different fathers,

Extracted.

HANNAH ROSE.
Christening, 30 OCT 1842. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
CHARLES ROSE.
ELIZABETH.

Extracted,

EMMA ROSE.
Christening, 05 JUL 1840. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
WILLIAM ROSE.
ELIZABETH.
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I am going to check that marriage myself for Hannah as something is very odd
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1863
HACKETT Meshach ROSE Hannah Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/94
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1861 CENSUS.

Manor Lane, Cottage",,ROSE,Charles,,head,M,M,57,,Nailer,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Elizabeth,,wife,M,F,57,,,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Felix,,son,U,M,23,,Ag Labourer,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Eliza,,dau,U,F,20,,Nailer,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Hannah,,dau,,F,17,,Nailer,,,WOR,Halesowen.

Ridgeacre,,ROSE,William,,head,M,M,46,,Ag Labourer,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Elizabeth,,wife,M,F,43,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Joseph,,son,U,M,23,,Ag Labourer,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Emma,,dau,U,F,20,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.
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It has taken me two nights to fathom this out but here goes:-

Emma is the sister of Hannah, I have found these census's. William Rose is on the marriage certificate as I have it in my possession, as is Benjamin Hackett

1851 Census - 16 Court 5 ****? Smallbrook St, Birmingham

William Rose 37 b 1814 Northfield
Jane Rose 57( I think this s/b 37) Northfield
Hannah Rose 7 b Walesdown Shropshire
Emma Rose 4 b Birmingham
Thomas Rose 3 months b Birmingham

1861 Census - 24 (looks like) Mitton Street Aston
William Rose 48 b 1813 Northfield
Jane Rose 47 b 1814 Northfield
Hannah Rose 17 b 1844 Northfield
Emma Rose 14 b 1847 Birmingham
Thomas Rose 10 b 1851 Northfield

1871 Census - 121 Liggins? Lane Northfield
William Rose 57 b 1814 Northfield
Jane Wheeler 56 b 1815 Northfield (Is this her maiden name?)
Thomas Wheeler 20 b 1851 Birmingham
Emma Andrews 6 1865 b Northfield (Grandaughter )
Joseph Simpson 2 b 1869 Birmingham Lodger

1871 Census- Birmingham Workhouse
Emma Andrews b 1849 Inmate
Baby Andrews ( William?) Inmate

I presume Emma married John Edwards in 1863 as stated on BCG but he must have died as I cannot find him. It does state she is unmarried on the census though?

I think Emma Andrews the mother then dies, as no trace on 1881 Census hence young Emma and William with Hannah and Meschach

1881 - Census
Emma Andrews and William Andrews with Hannah and Meshach

Does any of it make sence?
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