WARREN Joseph, EDWARDS Mary

[Maths girl]

1881
Maria Edwards 69 Head,Widow b Frome
Mary Hooper 48 Daug, Mar B Frome

I can't find a marriage for Mary Edwards/Warren to a ??Hooper - did she actually marry the wicked step-father? but it looks as though Mary might have started to see the world outside Somerset

1891 6 Harper Street,Trinity Newington London
Edwin J Frith 66 Head
Ellen A Frith 61
Elizabeth M Woolly 6 Gr Daug
7 Harper Street,
Mary Hooper 58 Wid, Housekeeper, b.Witham Friary
Edwin Pinkstone 24 Assisstant, Grocer's Assistant

It looks as though Edwin owned both 6&7 as Mary and Edwin are given a relationship relative to him

[Maths girl]

1871 Nunstead Rd, Sla(e)ight Cottages Potterne, Wiltshire
Joseph Warren 35 Head Cowman
Marry Warren 33
William Warren 13 Plow boy
George Warren 11 Scholar
John Warren 10 Scholar
Alice Warren 7 Scholar
Hannah Warren 5 Scholar
Emily Warren 4
Twin (Daug) Warren 7 days (The writer has gone over this several times to try to make it clear but I think this is what it says - based on my experience of trying to decipher school children's corrections!)
Twin (Son)Warren 7 days
Maria Edwards 50 Mother-in-law b Witham Friary

I can't find birth reg for these twins

[Maths girl]

1871 Nunstead Rd, Sla(e)ight Cottages Potterne, Wiltshire
Joseph Warren 35 Head Cowman
Marry Warren 33
William Warren 13 Plow boy
George Warren 11 Scholar
John Warren 10 Scholar
Alice Warren 7 Scholar
Hannah Warren 5 Scholar
Emily Warren 4
Twin (Daug) Warren 7 days (The writer has gone over this several times to try to make it clear but I think this is what it says - based on my experience of trying to decipher school children's corrections!)
Twin (Son)Warren 7 days
Maria Edwards 50 Mother-in-law

I can't find birth reg for these twins

1881 Wales
Garndiffaith, Trevethin,
Joseph Warren 44 Gen Lab in Iron Works
Mary Warren 42
George Warren 21 Coal Miner
Emily Warren 13 Scholar
Benjamin Warren 10 Scholar
All born Witham Friary except Benjamin born Potterne Wilts!

[Maths girl]

1871 Nunstead Rd, Sla(e)ight Cottages Potterne, Wiltshire
Joseph Warren 35 Head Cowman
Marry Warren 33
William Warren 13 Plow boy
George Warren 11 Scholar
John Warren 10 Scholar
Alice Warren 7 Scholar
Hannah Warren 5 Scholar
Emily Warren 4
Twin (Daug) Warren 7 days (The writer has gone over this several times to try to make it clear but I think this is what it says - based on my experience of trying to decipher school children's corrections!)
Twin (Son)Warren 7 days
Maria Edwards 50 Mother-in-law

I can't find birth reg for these twins

1881 Wales
Garndiffaith, Trevethin,
Joseph Warren 44 Gen Lab in Iron Works
Mary Warren 42
George Warren 21 Coal Miner
Emily Warren 13 Scholar
Benjamin Warren 10 Scholar
All born Witham Friary except Benjamin born Potterne Wilts!

1891 Haford Knock
Joseph Warren 55 Underground Hostler
Mary Warren 53
Emily Warren 23 Daugh
Benjamin Warren 20 Son Grocer's Assistant
George Warren 8 Nephew
Charles Edwards 78 Father-in-law , living on own means
George Warren 49 visitor
ALL born Witham except George Garndiffaith, Monmouth

[Sandra]

This sounds good, could Charles be one of the twins? I quess you are thinking this too.... thankyou for all the time you are spending on this for me I really appreciate it.
Joseph Warren in this family is a Cowman - he could have been called a labourer, could't he, and the Maria Edwards could have been Marry's mother. It looks like you are getting close. If we could find the birth date of the twins that would seal it.

1871 Nunstead Rd, Sla(e)ight Cottages Potterne, Wiltshire
Joseph Warren 35 Head Cowman
Marry Warren 33
William Warren 13 Plow boy
George Warren 11 Scholar
John Warren 10 Scholar
Alice Warren 7 Scholar
Hannah Warren 5 Scholar
Emily Warren 4
Twin (Daug) Warren 7 days (The writer has gone over this several times to try to make it clear but I think this is what it says - based on my experience of trying to decipher school children's corrections!)
Twin (Son)Warren 7 days
Maria Edwards 50 Mother-in-law b Witham Friary

I can't find birth reg for these twins

[Maths girl]

1871 Nunstead Rd, Sla(e)ight Cottages Potterne, Wiltshire
Joseph Warren 35 Head Cowman
Marry Warren 33
William Warren 13 Plow boy
George Warren 11 Scholar
John Warren 10 Scholar
Alice Warren 7 Scholar
Hannah Warren 5 Scholar
Emily Warren 4
Twin (Daug) Warren 7 days (The writer has gone over this several times to try to make it clear but I think this is what it says - based on my experience of trying to decipher school children's corrections!)
Twin (Son)Warren 7 days
Maria Edwards 50 Mother-in-law

I can't find birth reg for these twins

1881 Wales
Garndiffaith, Trevethin,
Joseph Warren 44 Gen Lab in Iron Works
Mary Warren 42
George Warren 21 Coal Miner
Emily Warren 13 Scholar
Benjamin Warren 10 Scholar
All born Witham Friary except Benjamin born Potterne Wilts!

This sounds good, could Charles be one of the twins? I quess you are thinking this too.... thankyou for all the time you are spending on this for me I really appreciate it.
Joseph Warren in this family is a Cowman - he could have been called a labourer, could't he, and the Maria Edwards could have been Marry's mother. It looks like you are getting close. If we could find the birth date of the twins that would seal it.

Yes I was thinking he could have been one of the twins but then found the 1881 Wales entry that suggests it might have been Benjamin so I was back to square one.

[dianel]

1881 55 Park Street, Yeovil Somerset
Joseph Warren 30 Glover
Mary Warren 38 Glover
Charles Warren 15 Labourer
George Warren 11
Joseph Warren 8
William Warren 4
Sarah Warren 2
Albert Warren

All born Yeovil

There's a family tree on Ancestry with the Yeovil family. Looks like the owner could be a descendant of Albert.
It could be worthwhile communicating with him to see if his family 'story' matches yours, Sandra?

Tree = My Family File

Owner:
 MarkMcLaughlin1974

 

[dianel]

Another ancestry tree ("Everest-Warren" Owner: philipandmegan) has
Yeovil WARREN family:

Joseph Chant WARREN m. Mary Ann HUTCHINGS 1860 Yeovil, Somerset

Children:
Mary Anne WARREN 1861
Lucy WARREN 1862
Charles March WARREN 1865-1885
George Thomas WARREN 1870-1894
Joseph Chant Hutchings WARREN 1872-1956
William Windsor WARREN 1875
Sarah Kendrick WARREN 1878
Albert Henry C WARREN 1881-1949

Free BMDs:
Mary Ann Hutchings 1860 Yeovil Somerset
Joseph Warren 1860 Yeovil Somerset

I'm inclined to think this eliminates the Yeovil family from consideration

[dianel]

1871 Nunstead Rd, Sla(e)ight Cottages Potterne, Wiltshire
Joseph Warren 35 Head Cowman
Marry Warren 33
William Warren 13 Plow boy
George Warren 11 Scholar
John Warren 10 Scholar
Alice Warren 7 Scholar
Hannah Warren 5 Scholar
Emily Warren 4
Twin (Daug) Warren 7 days (The writer has gone over this several times to try to make it clear but I think this is what it says - based on my experience of trying to decipher school children's corrections!)
Twin (Son)Warren 7 days
Maria Edwards 50 Mother-in-law

Another Ancestry tree (Price Family Tree, Owner: damekellyholmes) has:

Joseph WARREN b. 1833 in
 Witham Friary, Somerset
Parents: John CREES 1810 & Sarah WARREN 1812
Spouse: Mary EDWARDS b. 1839 Witham Friary, Somerset
Mary's parents: Charles EDWARDS 1813 & Maria ASHFORD 1812

Children:
William Charles WARREN 1858 Could this be your Charles?
George WARREN 1860-1888
Henry John WARREN 1861
Alice WARREN 1864
Hannah WARREN 1866
Emily WARREN 1868
Benjamin Edwards WARREN 1871
Unknown WARREN 1871 (Probably the female twin to Benjamin who didn't survive?)

[dianel]

Joseph still alive until after 1901. Also Mary nee Edwards' father, Charles, still alive in 1891.

1891
At Hafod Enock, Cwmavon, Monmouthshire, Wales
Joseph Warren Head 55 Underground Hostler b. Witham, Somerset
Mary Warren Wife 53 b. Witham, Somerset
Emily Warren Daur S 23 b. Witham, Somerset
Benjamin Warren Son S 20 Grocer's Assistant b. Witham, Somerset
George Warren Nephew 8 Scholar b. Garndiffaith, Monmouthshire, Wales
Charles Edwards Father in law Widower 78 Living on his own means b. Witham, Somerset
George Warren Visitor M 49 b. Witham, Somerset

1901
At Hafodenock Farm, Cwmavon, Monmouthshire, Wales
Joseph Warren Head 64 Farmer own account b. Witham Friary, Somerset
Mary Warren Wife 63 b. Witham Friary, Somerset
Benjamin E Warren Son 30 Grocer's Assistant b. Potterne, Wiltshire, England
Madeline Warren Granddaur 16 b. Lambeth, London, England
William J L Warren Grandson 5 b. Lambeth, London, England
Charles Footser Servant 19 Carter on Horse Farm b. Shoreditch, London, England

[dianel]

Uh, oh ... William Charles Warren appears to marry Kate Coghlan on 1 June 1884 at Lambeth, London and then Sarah Davies some time later (according to a family tree) and then be living on his own in London in 1901.

1901
At 60 Holyoake Road, Lambeth
William Warren Head Widower 42 Police Constable b. Somerset, Witham Friary

[dianel]

I have an awful feeling that the Witham Priory family is not the one we're looking for either

[Sandra]

Thank you very much for all the information, you have gone to a lot of trouble. I am afraid I still cannot see a positive connection but it does rule out some of the families.

This family tree - Ancestry tree (Price Family Tree, Owner: damekellyholmes) William Charles WARREN 1858 Could this be your Charles?...
I don't know, could be... there is an age difference of 13 years. If William Charles Warren married Kate Coghlan on 1 June 1884 at Lambeth, London, than it is unlikely he is my Charles, as he would have been married in England and then immigrated to Aust in 1887 and remarried here in 1900. He was 88yrs old when he died in Aust in 1960, if he was the above William Charles Warren that would have made him 101yrs when he died, I doubt if it is the same person, he looked an old man when I saw him last and that was in the 1950's.

I will contact - Tree = My Family File

Owner:
 MarkMcLaughlin1974


and see what he has on the Warren family.

[dianel]

Just backtracking a little ... So, if Charles wasn't in fact born in Grantham, where might this location have come from?

There is this:
Free BMD Index, 1837-1915
Joseph Warren
BIRTH: Dec 1851 - Grantham (1837-1933), Leicestershire, Lincolnshire

This Joseph could be the right age for Charles' father?

[Sandra]

Hi Daniel,
His marriage certificate states - Grantham, Lincoln, England and his death certificate states Grantham, Lancashire.

I just had another thought and checked to see if there was any official record of his immigration and found on Ancestry there was a ship called Ormston Grange which departed London, they went to Gladstone & Bowen Queensland, then to Sydney New South Wales arriving 21-8-1897, he is listed as Charles Warren- deckhand aged 27. (which is 10 yrs after I had his arrival date. Dumb I should have checked that before).

The BMD index
Joseph Warren
BIRTH: Dec 1851 - Grantham (1837-1933), Leicestershire, Lincolnshire
Could be the right one for Charles's father. I will try to get back in touch with the kind person who checked Charles birth and see if she can check Joseph for me. Thanks