Birth Certificate/Statutory Declaration

[Waxwing]

Can anyone offer me any clues as to why Alice Pepper (Nee Cook) made this alteration (see certificate)? Her husbands death was registered in the first quarter of 1907, this action taken by Alice was obviously prompted by his death, why???

Any Ideas folks?

A copy of the certificate can be found at the following location;

http://s583.photobucket.com/albums/ss27 ... =markp.jpg

Thanks,

Mark.

[Maths girl]

Have you tried to see whether the registers office have to keep a copy of the "Statuary Declaration"?

A registry office might be able to give you the legal situations in force at the time that allowed for a change of details.

Do you know who Sarah Staniland is?

Anything on the 1901/1891 census give any clues?

You might have already tried all these suggestions but ..

[Waxwing]

I will check with the registers office, thanks for that info. Sarah Staniland appeared on a census around the same area, maybe a friend witness I presumed or maybe you are thinking that there is a possible connection? A little bit more digging around to do I think??!! Thanks for your advice.

[Maths girl]

Sarah Staniland appeared on a census around the same area, maybe a friend witness I presumed or maybe you are thinking that there is a possible connection?

Yes I was wondering witness to what? Sisters/good friends would possibly be in on illicit affairs etc. Waiting until after the "father" died and then removing his name would suggest to me that he might not have been the father but she also changes her name which is intriguing.

Have you got any info on the original birth certificates/marriage details of Alice Pepper? Were there any other children of the marriage?

Sorry lots of questions and no answers but certainly a curious one.

[Maths girl]

Is this the family?

1901 33 Oxford Road, Knighton,Leicester
Thomas M Pepper 49 Dairy man (Carter)
Allis M Pepper 39
Rose Pepper 16 Cigar maker
Arthur Pepper 12
Sarah Pepper 10
Elsie Pepper 8
Edith Pepper 6
Dorothy Pepper 5
Kate Pepper 3
Alice Pepper 2
Herbert Pepper 1
Parents from Gumton,Norfolk
Children all from Leicester

Gap between Rose and Arthur could be filled by
1901 Holly Bank, London Road, Leicester
William T Pepper 14 Servant Gardener Boy
Born Leicester

[Maths girl]

Same family

1891 Edward Road
Thomas M Pepper 37 Milkman Leicester Blaby (this contradicts 1901)
Alice Pepper 27 Norfolk ,
Rose Pepper 16 (6 on original)
Willey Pepper 4
Arthur Pepper 2
Sarah Pepper 9/12
Children born Leicester

Can't find a marriage form Thomas and Alice though

[mallosa]

Same family

1891 Edward Road
Thomas M Pepper 37 Milkman Leicester Blaby (this contradicts 1901)
Alice Pepper 27 Norfolk ,
Rose Pepper 16 (6 on original)
Willey Pepper 4
Arthur Pepper 2
Sarah Pepper 9/12
Children born Leicester

Can't find a marriage form Thomas and Alice though

Is this it?

Marriages Mar 1879
Hatfield John Dobson Leicester 7a 259
Pepper Thomas Leicester 7a 259
TAYLOR Mary Leicester 7a 259
Wilson Alice Leicester 7a 259

[Waxwing]

Is this the family?

1901 33 Oxford Road, Knighton,Leicester
Thomas M Pepper 49 Dairy man (Carter)
Allis M Pepper 39
Rose Pepper 16 Cigar maker
Arthur Pepper 12
Sarah Pepper 10
Elsie Pepper 8
Edith Pepper 6
Dorothy Pepper 5
Kate Pepper 3
Alice Pepper 2
Herbert Pepper 1
Parents from Gumton,Norfolk
Children all from Leicester

Gap between Rose and Arthur could be filled by
1901 Holly Bank, London Road, Leicester
William T Pepper 14 Servant Gardener Boy
Born Leicester

Yes, I agree with that! I have visited Oxford Road and the address where he was a gardener on London Road is a short walk away.

[Maths girl]

Marriages Mar 1879
Hatfield John Dobson Leicester 7a 259
Pepper Thomas Leicester 7a 259
TAYLOR Mary Leicester 7a 259
Wilson Alice Leicester 7a 259

Could be - I didn't go that far back because of the date of the eldest child - I was making the assumption that one followed the other closely in those days but of course there could have been others that died or ....

The date of this marriage means we should be able to find them on the 1881 census together.

[Maths girl]

Marriages Mar 1879
Hatfield John Dobson Leicester 7a 259
Pepper Thomas Leicester 7a 259
TAYLOR Mary Leicester 7a 259
Wilson Alice Leicester 7a 259

This does raise the other question as to where the "Cook" reference comes from!

[Jimmy]

Marriages Mar 1879
Hatfield John Dobson Leicester 7a 259
Pepper Thomas Leicester 7a 259
TAYLOR Mary Leicester 7a 259
Wilson Alice Leicester 7a 259

Could be - I didn't go that far back because of the date of the eldest child - I was making the assumption that one followed the other closely in those days but of course there could have been others that died or ....

The date of this marriage means we should be able to find them on the 1881 census together.

I think this marriage could be for Thomas and Mary Taylor, I can't see a Thomas with Alice in 1881.

[Maths girl]

Jimmy

I had that problem to - I was just about to try to find Mary Pepper and possibly Alice Hatfield

[Maths girl]

1881 A Cumberland St, Leicester
George Pepper 59
Mary Pepper 55
Thos. Pepper 25
Mary Pepper 24
Clara Pepper 1
Ada Pepper

1881 263 Syston St Leicester
Frederic Allen 27
Elizth. Allen 30
Louisa Allen 7
Charles Harry Allen 3
John F. Allen 1
John Hatfield 33 Brother in Law
Alice Hatfield 24


That doesn't make the marriage look hopeful does it?

[Jimmy]

I think Thomas and Alice married later, if they did marry.