Olive m malone and kenneth w scragg

[andykeastelow12]

Hi iv come to a road block when researching my family tree
Ans can't find alot to do with them and can't ask people as alot of my older family have passes away
So on my dad's side I can't find out about his dad kenneth w scragg all I know for certain is he was born 21st nov 1944 and passed away 1995 I think his parents are Herbert scragg and Ellen morton but not sure
So please help me with this part
And second my dad's mom's mom olive m malone I know nothing at all about other than she married my great grandad 1938 and would love to know more

Thank you all if you can help

[Northern Lass]

moved to gen. discussion section

[mallosa]

Hi Andy and welcome!

Just having a quick look.........you don't say where he was born

Kenneth W Scragg
Registration Date Oct 1944[Nov 1944][Dec 1944]
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Birmingham
Inferred County West Midlands
Mother's Maiden Name Morton
Volume Number 6d
Page number 366

[andykeastelow12]

Thank you I had a feeling he was born in Birmingham but don't have any exact information the only info I had is I belive his dad his herbert scragg and his mom Ellen morton
I also know he had a brother called gerorge and a sister called aida/ada but once again have no info as my older family members have all passed away I do know they lived on canal boats so was thing there may not be anything formal for any of them eg marriage certificate
I have tried most avenues to find them but I'm stuck at the moment

[andykeastelow12]

And sorry my grandad married my nan in wolverhampton and died in wolverhampton

And in reply to olive m malone/eastelow I know little other than when she married my greatgrandad

[mallosa]

Thank you I had a feeling he was born in Birmingham but don't have any exact information the only info I had is I belive his dad his herbert scragg and his mom Ellen morton
I also know he had a brother called gerorge and a sister called aida/ada but once again have no info as my older family members have all passed away I do know they lived on canal boats so was thing there may not be anything formal for any of them eg marriage certificate
I have tried most avenues to find them but I'm stuck at the moment

Marriage Jun 1936
Scragg Herbert Morton Wolverhampton 6b 1567

Marriage Jun 1936
Morton Ellen Scragg Wolverhampton 6b 1367

Birth Mar 1937
Scragg Ada Moreton Wolverhampton 6b 711

Birth Dec 1941
Scragg George Morton Crewe 8a 738

Birth Dec 1944
Scragg Kenneth W Morton Birmingham 6d 366

Birth Dec 1950
Scragg Averil D Morton Wolverhampton 9b 1346

[mallosa]

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Ellen Morton
Registration Date Apr 1936[May 1936][Jun 1936]
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Wolverhampton
Inferred County Staffordshire
Spouse Herbert Scragg
Volume Number 6b
Page number 1367 (not 1567 as stated in previous post)

[mallosa]

You do need that marriage certificate, it will give you his occupation and his fathers name and occupation also Ellen's father and his occupation

Clutching at straws possibly but you mention they lived on canal boats

I wonder if this is Ellen with her parents.........

1921: Walton Superior,Appleton, Cheshire, England
James Morton 34 Years 11 Months Master married Barge Master Occupation Code 738/6 Employer: Fellows Morton & Clayton Ltd, General Contractors Employer Code 554 Place of Work: No Fixed Place Number of Children Under 16: 3 Inhabited Y
Port of Registry Berkhampstead
Name of Ship or Barracks Merioneth
Vessel Number 425
Vessel Description Towing Barge

Ellen Morton 29 Years 11 Months Wife. Passenger or Crew: Crew born Staffordshire
James Morton 5 Years 8 Months Son Born Weston, Staffordshire,
Ellen Morton 7 Years 11 Months Daughter born Staffordshire
Emily- Morton 2 Years 1 Month Daughter born Staffordshire

1939 Register:
James Morton
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 7 Jul 1888
Residence Date 1939
Address Canal Boat C/O Fellows Morton
Residence Place Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Occupation Canal Boatman (Traveler)
Line Number 13
Schedule Number 212
Sub Schedule Number 1
Enumeration District Oqan
Borough Wolverhampton
Registration District 369 A/1
Inferred Spouse Ellen Morton (Littler written in) Canal Boatwoman

[gardener]

There is a newspaper report from 1970, an inquest after Herbert Scragg died in a traffic accident...if I remember correctly...I was looking at it this morning but had to rush out. It mentioned son George and gave Herbert's age I think

[mallosa]

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Herbert Scragg
Death Date 1 Nov 1970
Death Place Wolverhampton
Probate Date 15 Feb 1971
Probate Registry Birmingham

....of 85 Colley Ave, Low Hill Wolverhampton.....Administration Birmingham. £1195

[andykeastelow12]

Thank you for all your help
Regarding my grandad kenneth it's helped alot and seeing the
Report on Herbert's death I do remember my dad saying years ago his uncle was in a bad traffic accident so could may well be thay was the case but they never wanted to tell me how herbert passed away

Also any other information regarding olive malone would be appreciated thank you once again massive help

[andykeastelow12]

Also seeing available mentioned has baught back memories of sadly someone drowning in the river 7 in bridgnorth so maybe it was Avril as she was never mentioned unfortunately

[mallosa]

Also seeing available mentioned has baught back memories of sadly someone drowning in the river 7 in bridgnorth so maybe it was Avril as she was never mentioned unfortunately

Could this be her........

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Averil D Scragg
Registration Date Jul 1968 [Aug 1968] [Sep 1968]
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Wolverhampton
Inferred County Staffordshire
Spouse Hugh C Hughes
Volume Number 9b
Page number 2776