ARCHIVE TBC. Frederick Arthur Floyd

[Jimmy]

So this looks like Fredericks parents,

Marriages Sep 1866.
BLUNDELL Jane. Preston 8e. 722.
BRADSHAW George. Preston 8e. 722.
CHARNLEY Elizabeth A J. Preston. 8e. 722.
Woods Thomas. Preston 8e. 722.

Thomas Woods.
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Anne Jane Thurnley.
Marriage Date: 17 Sep 1866.
Marriage Place: St. John'S, Preston, Lancashire.
Groom's Father's Name: William Woods.
Bride's Father's Name: Blank.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00931-8.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1278760.
Reference Number: it8p36

Or the same one, without parents on.
Thomas Woods.
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Anne Jane Charnley.
Marriage Date: 17 Sep 1866.
Marriage Place: Saint John,Preston,Lancashire.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00713-3.
System Origin: England-ODM.
Source Film Number: 94000.

[yerffej]

So in the 1881 census it looks like she wasn't with James Charnley after all so that rules him out as the father. The Woods children must all be related to her, not him. James was possibly her brother? Not old enough to be her father.
Thomas must have died and she then married John. I still can't understand why he is Floyd on the marriage certificate and John is down as his father though

[Jimmy]

1881.
James CHARNLEY Head U Male 43 Preston, Lancashire, England Cord Grinder Unemployed
Elizabeth A.J. WOODS Lodger W Female 33 Preston, Lancashire, England Dressmaker
William A. WOODS Son Male 13 Preston, Lancashire, England Stonemasons Labourer
John J. WOODS Son Male 12 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Frances L. WOODS Daur Female 10 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Frederick A. WOODS Son Male 9 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Edith A. WOODS Daur Female 7 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Ernest R. WOODS Son Male 2 Preston, Lancashire, England
John William FLOYD Lodger M Male 39 Uphampton, Worcester, England Carpenter & House Joiner

54 Victoria St.
Preston, Lancashire.

This James CHARNLEY could be a brother to her or related.

[yerffej]

So in the 1881 census it looks like she wasn't with James Charnley after all so that rules him out as the father. The Woods children must all be related to her, not him. James was possibly her brother? Not old enough to be her father.
Thomas must have died and she then married John. I still can't understand why he is Floyd on the marriage certificate and John is down as his father though

Could they just write anything they liked on the certificates? Surely they are legal documents??

[yerffej]

Just noticed John is listed as married in 1881 census?? This is getting more complicated by the minute!!

[Stonewaller]

I tend to agree with you about Frederick's parenthood. I suspect that under "relationship to head" there is a mistake and that it is meant that he (and his siblings) are sons/daughters of Elizabeth WOODS. As for the marriage certificate: I think we can only speculate.

(apologies: in my earlier post I should have put Frances' age as 1 (one))

[Jimmy]

Just noticed John is listed as married in 1881 census?? This is getting more complicated by the minute!!

Possible for John,

1871. Bowdon, Cheshire.
John Floyd 30. House Joiner. Ombersley, Worcestershire.
Eliza Floyd 32. Riddich, Worcestershire.
Lydia Floyd 6. Riddich, Worcestershire.
Sarah Floyd 4. Manchester, Lancashire.
Frances H Floyd 2. Bowdon, Cheshire.
Alfred Fullalove 25. Lodger. Manchester, Lancashire,

[Jimmy]

I can't see a marriage for John Floyd and Elizabeth A.J Woods.

[yerffej]

Could anyone find me the 1871 census for Elizabeth and Thomas Woods please. As Frederick Arthur was born that year I was wondering if Elizabeth and John were any where near each other at the time. I'm trying to find out if there is any chance that John was the father. Thank you.

[Antie Em]

Is this them - earlier in this thread - by Stonewaller

I have also found what Jimmy found on the 1881 census.

In 1871, at 1 Sidney Place, Preston:
Thomas WOODS Head Mar Male 31 Preston, Lancashire, Cotton Weaver
Eliz. WOODS Wife Mar Female 25 Preston, Lancashire
William A. WOODS Son Male 3 Preston, Lancashire, Scholar
John J. WOODS Son Male 2 Preston, Lancashire
Frances WOODS Daur Female 10 Preston, Lancashire

Hope this helps.

[yerffej]

Thank you That's a great help as I now know they were in separate counties the year Frederick was born. I am going to continue searching both Floyd and Woods for a little while just to see what happens. I will start a new thread for Thomas Woods.
On Frederick's marriage to Mary Bessie Higgins he lists his father as John William Floyd (deceased) in 1904 He was an architect The marriage was at The Parish Church of South Shore, County of Lancaster They were living at 33 Bagot Street. Could we possibly find out anything about John William Floyd please. Thanks again for your help on this

[Northern Lass]

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