ARC TBC John William Burns and Sarah Gamble

[Mrdonovan]

Hi

I have been here before with this, but I have a little bit more information, and maybe you guys could help me finally break this one.

Mary Patricia Burns
Date of Birth: 2nd of March 1909
Place of Birth: 294 Oxford Road, South Manchester
Father: John William Burns (Post office clerk)
Mother: Sarah Burns formerly Gamble
Informant: Sarah Burns, 294 Oxford Road, South Manchester
Registered 24th of March 1909

1911 England Census, she lives with a family of Russells.
Mary Patrica Burns
Relation to Head: Nurse Child (Nurse)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: South Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Street address: 9 Maskell St C-on-m-M/C
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock


New information / clues about parents:

1. Her marriage certificate of 1928 states father, John Burns to be deceased.

2. The Sarah Burns listed as died in 1910 is not her. I've seen the death cert.

3. The address 294 Oxford Road used to be inhabited by a medical doctor called Richard T Williamson who specialized in neurological illnesses. Not completey sure when he was there, but I am working from a theory the mother might have been severely ill.
https://archive.org/stream/owenscollegemanc00hartuoft/owenscollegemanc00hartuoft_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/yearbookandreco02britgoog/yearbookandreco02britgoog_djvu.txt

4. I've been told the mother was a nurse from Ireland, but I'm a bit skeptical about her being a nurse, and I think someone may have misinterpreted nurse child with nurse's child.

The archived thread:
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[BC Wench]

I don't know if you have seen this 1939 Register or not, but Lily Russell crops up again, also that Mary Patricia names her daughter Lily.

1939 Register: 9 Whittinell Road, Manchester C.B. Lancs
Lily Russell, Born 7 April 1878, Single, Office Cleaner
John Greenwood, Born 13 June 1905, Married, Master Painter & Decorator
Mary P Greenwood, Born 2 March 1909, Married, Unpaid Domestic Duties
Lily Hilda Greenwood, Born 8 Jan 1920, at School (Greenwood crossed through with Shepherd entered)
2 records closed

Going backwards with Lily:-

1911 Census: 9 Maskell Street, Chorlton-upon-Medlock, Manchester
George Russell, Head.Mar, 70, Retired Goods Porter, Ottery St Mary, Devon
Ann Russell, Wife, 74, Dunster, Somerset
Lily Russell, Dau.S, 32, Ardwick, Manchester
Mary Strong, Boarder.S, 16, Errand Girl Skirt Warehouse, C on M, Manchester
Mary Patricia Burns, Nurse Child, 2, C on M, Manchester

1901 Census: 30 Kay St., Chorlton upon Medlock, Manchester
George Russell, Head.Mar, 59, Railway Porter
Ann Russell, Wife, 63
Lilly Russell, Dau.S, 23, Cook Hotel
Mary Earl, Visitor, 28
May Strong, Visitor, 5
Minnie Broan, Visitor, 8

1891 Census: 30 Kay St., Chorlton upon Medlock, Manchester
George Russell, Head.Mar, 49, Railway Porter, Devonshire
Nancy/Ann Russell, Wife, 53, Somersetshire
Nellie/Lily Russell, Dau, 12, Scholar, Manchester
Dennis Ryan, Lodger.S, 21, Van Driver, Ireland

1881 Census: 6 Slack Street, Ardwick, Lancs
Geo. Russell, Head.Mar, 39, Goods Porter
Ann Russell, Wife, 42
G.H. Russell, Son, 11, Scholar
C.A. Russell, Dau, 8, Scholar
Lily Russell, Dau, 2

1871 Census: 48 Grafton Street, Chorlton-upon-Medlock, Lancs
George Russell, Head.Mar, 30, Railway Porter, Ottery St Mary, Devon
Anne Russell, Wife, 34, Dunster, Somerset
George Hy Russell, Son, 1, Manchester
Elizabeth A Kern, Visitor.UM, 21, Domestic Servant, Liverpool
Rernsire C J Dedelz, Lodger.UM, 46, Teacher of French, Paris
John Monldeng/Moulding?, Lodger.UM, 21, Salesman, Manchester
Tom Monldeng/Moulding?, Lodger.UM, 17, Salesman, Manchester

Marriage: 26 Apr 1869 St Saviour, Chorlton on Medlock, Lancashire (Lancs OPC)
George Russell, 27, Shoe-maker, Bachelor, 182 Upper Brook Street, Father Henry Russell, Labourer
Ann Godbey, 32, Spinster, 182 Upper Brook Street, Father: John Godbey, Shoe Maker
Witness: James West; Leah Parry?
Married by Banns by: W. Frederick Birch
Register: Marriages 1838 - 1876, Page 173, Entry 346
Source: LDS Family Search

Something to think about.

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