ARC TBC - Richard YOUNG parents???

[GreekEnglishGal]

I cannot figure out my 2nd great grandfather's parents. He was born in 1851, can't find a death certificate, possibly 1915? Was born in West Bromwich, was a "gas holder maker". There is no record of his early life anywhere except the year and place he was born. I have a picture of him looking fairly young maybe teens early 20's and he is in West Bromwich.

He was married to Harriett Emma YOUNG (yes that's her surname as well) b 1856 d. 1919W. Bromwich. I cannot find a marriage certificate at all, but they are my great grandfather Henry Archer YOUNG's parents for sure.

Harriett's mother is Eliza b. ABT 1830, but her name is spelled oddly in the census reports, as well as where she is from. Transcribed she is either from: Charford, Goucestershire OR Gamlingay, Bedfordshire. Her Father is William YOUNG from Rugley, Stafford? And was a bricklayer b. ABT 1826. Cannot find marriage records for these two either....frustrating.

The annoying thing is the birth place of these parents seems to change on every census except for Richard and Harriet Emma YOUNG both born in West Bromwich.

YOUNG was a fairly common name back then so I don't know if they are related in anyway. If they are I cannot find a link.

[Northern Lass]

So you know for sure that father for Henry Archer Young is a Richard Young?

Do you have his birth certif?
or is info from your family re Henry Archer youngs father?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =432006887


have added in Harriet Emma
but need some census to see Richard with family

and we are after a marriage?

[Northern Lass]

Marriages Jun 1880
BUSHELL John Dudley 6c 165
Davies Elizabeth Dudley 6c 165
Meacham Harriet Emma Dudley 6c 165
Young Richard Dudley 6c 165

1880
YOUNG Richard MEACHAM Harriet E Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/14/2


Where did you get that her name is YOUNG??

it looks like Meacham .............unless she is a widow on this marriage above

but dont think she is cos think this is her birth
Births Mar 1856
MEACHAM Harriet Emma Lichfield 6b 309

[GreekEnglishGal]

Ancestry.com isn't the most reliable I guess...those silly green leaves!! The names are very common I suppose, looking into it now.

[Northern Lass]

Ancestry.com isn't the most reliable I guess...those silly green leaves!! The names are very common I suppose, looking into it now.

Never take what others have on their tree as gospel so many can get it wrong
always check sources ie certifs etc then you know you are on the right track

[rockyfowler]

11 Apr 1880 St Martin Tipton
Richard YOUNG 28 B Gas Erector Tipton Father Richard Young Groom?
Harriet Emma MEACHER 24 S Tipton Father William Meacher Coach Painter
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; Daniel Bennett / Ann Bennett X

[GreekEnglishGal]

How are you guys getting this info so fast? Are you working for the MI5?

[Northern Lass]

11 Apr 1880 St Martin Tipton
Richard YOUNG 28 B Gas Erector Tipton Father Richard Young Groom?
Harriet Emma MEACHAm 24 S Tipton Father William Meacham Coach Painter
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; Daniel Bennett / Ann Bennett X

Brill!!! love ya RF thanks!!
will add to BCC

Yep GEG we are the secret nosey beggars society ....secret handshakes and everything
aint that rite guys!!

we know everything!

[Jimmy]

Yep GEG we are the secret nosey beggars society ....secret handshakes and everything
aint that rite guys!!

we know everything!

Talking about your self N L.

[Northern Lass]

Yep GEG we are the secret nosey beggars society ....secret handshakes and everything
aint that rite guys!!

we know everything!

Talking about your self N L.

[gardener]

I cannot figure out my 2nd great grandfather's parents. He was born in 1851, can't find a death certificate, possibly 1915? Was born in West Bromwich, was a "gas holder maker". There is no record of his early life anywhere except the year and place he was born. I have a picture of him looking fairly young maybe teens early 20's and he is in West Bromwich.

He was married to Harriett Emma YOUNG (yes that's her surname as well) b 1856 d. 1919W. Bromwich. I cannot find a marriage certificate at all, but they are my great grandfather Henry Archer YOUNG's parents for sure.

I wonder if this is him? (Off familysearch)

Richard Young
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 25 May 1851 ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
father: Richard Young
mother: Mary Ann

Can anyone pick that group up in the 1861 census? (I don't see other children though so they may have moved or Mary Ann died or something)

Also, wondering about the 1911 census for Richard. I can see Harriet Emma and two boys but Richard doesn't appear to be with him (there is a possible fit in Stockton). I don't have full access.

[gardener]

OK, so that is Richard in Stockton in 1911, at least he was alive then.
I can't find him before his marriage though.

[GreekEnglishGal]

Thank you guys, his death is sort of a mystery too. I have that Stockton from 1911 as well as odd immigration records to Jefferson, Maine, USA in 1913. He was a visitor in Stockton, not sure what he was doing over there. I am thinking this is a different Richard Young or his story would be quite interesting...involves an Alice Munsey from West Bromwich as well, maybe an illegitimate daughter? I found a record of "him" living with her and some others in the 1920 United States Federal Census Record. He would have been about the right age and Alice Munsey and him were the only 2 people from West Bromwich, England, the rest from Maine. Odd...

I also have 2 records stating that a Richard YOUNG may have died 15 Jan 1906. England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index Lichfield 6b. 271, although says estimated DOB 1854. Then I have England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1996 "Richard of Birmingham road Lichfield died 15 January 1906 Probate Lichfield 1 March to Harriet Young widow and William Young painter 1s 10d".

His wife was Harriett and his youngest son was William who would have been 17. She was born in Lichfield, but died in Bromwich and in her will it doesn't state that Richard Young is a widower. She died in 8 Sep 1919. In 1911, the census states she is just living with two of her sons Henry (my great grandfather) and William.



ANYWAY, I was finally able to trace my YOUNG direct ancestry line all the way to Thomas YOUNG b ABT 1645 in Knook, Wilshire, England. That's crazy to me, glad my ancestors were not those crazy Puritans

[gardener]

I also have 2 records stating that a Richard YOUNG may have died 15 Jan 1906. England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index Lichfield 6b. 271, although says estimated DOB 1854. Then I have England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1996 "Richard of Birmingham road Lichfield died 15 January 1906 Probate Lichfield 1 March to Harriet Young widow and William Young painter 1s 10d".

The Richard who died in 1906 was the husband of Harriet (no Emma) and seems to have lived in Lichfield the whole time. They had a son William who is listed as a house painter in 1911. So you should discount this will from the puzzle.

[GreekEnglishGal]

Thank you! BTW my mom says hello

Oops, her name was Annie not Alice MUNSEY or spelled MUNCEY