John Moore of Cradley 1870's

[Sharon]

Hi lovely people!
Thanks for your recent help trying to find out if John Moore of Cradley stopped being a carter and became a shopkeeper in Cradley High Street in the 1870's...
I said I would send for a death cert. & keep you posted..it came today...more mystery.! (what else!)
John Moore, aged 50,carter (so far so good!) died at 2 Foxoak Street, Rowley Regis on 4th April 1879 of bronchitis, cardiac disease.
The death was registered by Ellen Moore, sister in law, present at death, address 1 Foxoak Street.
John's daughter Clara, who married William Guise at Old Hill church July 26th 1880 has her father as deceased.
One of the witnesses is an Ellen Moore...

anybody make a link? If I'm wrong, anyone want a certificate?!

[Maths girl]

Hi lovely people!
Thanks for your recent help trying to find out if John Moore of Cradley stopped being a carter and became a shopkeeper in Cradley High Street in the 1870's...
I said I would send for a death cert. & keep you posted..it came today...more mystery.! (what else!)
John Moore, aged 50,carter (so far so good!) died at 2 Foxoak Street, Rowley Regis on 4th April 1879 of bronchitis, cardiac disease.
The death was registered by Ellen Moore, sister in law, present at death, address 1 Foxoak Street.
John's daughter Clara, who married William Guise at Old Hill church July 26th 1880 has her father as deceased.
One of the witnesses is an Ellen Moore...

anybody make a link? If I'm wrong, anyone want a certificate?!

I missed the first thread on this and so might have missed something but is there a problem with the facts that you have given -- they seem to fit well to me -- although they don't confirm that he was a shopkeeper in Cradley High Street they don't disprove it -- he could still have believed that being a carter was his main occupation and lived away from the shop!

[peterd]

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[peterd]

death

died at 2 Foxoak Street, Rowley Regis on 4th April 1879 of bronchitis, cardiac disease.


here the marriage and its correct john reading deceased


26 July 1880 Old Hill Holy Trinity

William Guise- 22- bach- labourer- Cradley Heath- James Guise- Labourer
Clara Ann Moore- 21- spinster- Cradley Heath- John Moore deceased
banns
X William Clara signed

Wit- Elijah Williams and Ellen Moore?

[peterd]

so who at 1 & 2 foxoak st in 1881census ?

[peterd]

is this ellen ?


1881 15 Halesowen St, Rowley Regis, Stafford

William MOOR M Male 36 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Potatoe Salesman
Ellen MOOR M Female 30 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Benjamin CRUMP U Male 17 Rowley Regis, Stafford, General Servant


or this one

1881; 16 Providence St, Rowley Regis, Stafford

Ellen MOORE Head W Female 40 Hereford, Char Woman
William T. MOORE Son U Male 16 Hereford, Carter
George MOORE Son Male 14 Hereford, Coopers Apprentice
Elizabeth S. MOORE Daur Female 12 Hereford, Scholar
Samuel MOORE Son Male 10 Hereford, Scholar


or neither

[peterd]

note 1883 marriage


13 May 1883 St Giles Rowley Regis
Alfred Henry Moore 20 bach Anchor Striker Cradley Father John Moore Carter
Emily Yardley 19 spin Cradley Father Joseph Yardley Chain Maker
Wit; David Rowley X Elizabeth Rowley X


father not down as deceased (over sight) but is a carter ?

[peterd]

1881; 16 Providence St, Rowley Regis, Stafford

Ellen MOORE Head W Female 40 Hereford, Char Woman
William T. MOORE Son U Male 16 Hereford, Carter
George MOORE Son Male 14 Hereford, Coopers Apprentice
Elizabeth S. MOORE Daur Female 12 Hereford, Scholar
Samuel MOORE Son Male 10 Hereford, Scholar

next st to foxoak in 1881 census


but at no 3 Foxoak Street in 1881 is



1881; 3 Foxoak Street, Rowley Regis, Stafford

Charles YARDLEY 45 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Chain Maker
Elizabeth YARDLEY 44 Cradley Heath, Stafford,
Bet YARDLEY 22 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Chain Maker
Sarah YARDLEY 18 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Chain Maker
Mirah YARDLEY 16 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Chain Maker
Jane YARDLEY 12 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Scholar
Albert YARDLEY 9 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Scholar
Susannah YARDLEY 5 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Scholar


at 2

1881; 2 Foxoak Street, Rowley Regis, Stafford

Thomas CHALONER 68 Diddesbury, Shropshire, Carpenter (Out Of Employ)
Ann CHALONER 65 Congleton, Cheshire,


at 1

1881; 1 Foxoak Street, Rowley Regis, Stafford


Mary Ann HYNDES Head M 28 New Village, Worcester, House Duties (Dom)
Jemima HYNDES 11 New Village, Worcester,
George HYNDES 8 New Village, Worcester,
Elizabeth HYNDES 6 New Village, Worcester,
Lousia HYNDES 5 New Village, Worcester, Scholar
Anne HYNDES 3 New Village, Worcester,
Maria HYNDES 1 New Village, Worcester,

and

Mary A. MERIDETH Head W 44 Cradley, Worcester, Chain Maker
Phoebe MERIDETH 19 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Chain Maker
Benjamin MERIDETH 17 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Lab At Chain Works
John MERIDETH 1 Cradley Heath, Stafford, and

[linell]

Hi Sharon, for me the fact that Ellen Moore was both a Witness to Clara's Marriage and recorded on John's death certificate it must be your John, plus the fact that you know he died before 1881. You can now spend time finding the Ellen Moore connection.

Yes Peter, Providence Street was round the corner from Foxoak Street.

Well done Sharon, from Linell.

[linell]

note 1883 marriage


13 May 1883 St Giles Rowley Regis
Alfred Henry Moore 20 bach Anchor Striker Cradley Father John Moore Carter
Emily Yardley 19 spin Cradley Father Joseph Yardley Chain Maker
Wit; David Rowley X Elizabeth Rowley X


father not down as deceased (over sight) but is a carter ?

Just noticed this picked up from Peter, so Alfred Henry gives John's Occupation as a Carter when he Married Emily Yardley. There is another bit of good evidence for you Sharon.

[peterd]

1871 Wharf House, Ocle Pitchard

Joseph Moore 49 ag Labourer, Upper Sapey, Worcestershire
Ellen Moore 30 Bishops Frome, Herefordshire
William Thos Moore 6 Much Cowarne, Herefordshire
George Moore 4 Moreton Jefferys, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Sydney Moore 2 Ocle Pitchard, Herefordshire
Samuel Jas Moore 4 Months Westhide, Herefordshire



1861 Cowarne court,Much Cowarne

James Thos Baker 21
Lettia Galhers Baker 19
Elizabeth Newman 35
Susan Griffiths 28
Joseph Moore 40 single, servant, Carter, Upper Sapy, Worcestershire
William Kert 50
William Smith 25
William Jones 29
William Mathews 20
William Patt 12
James Hayes 38
Honora Hayes 40
Edward Hayes 11
Nancy Cunningham 48


1851 ?

[Sharon]

Hi all! Thanks again..I'm beginning to believe it now!
Thanks for the 1881 census for Foxoak St., PeterD -didn't know how to do this.. Is there any value in looking for Ellen Moore there in 1891 & 1871?
Thanks for your support Linell...I first asked about this here is 2009 !
I have copies of Clara (1880), Harry & Laura Bache m 20 Oct 1884 John Henry m Mary Harris Reddal Hill 1877 & Ann m Jesse Round Cradley 1889. John is only mentioned as deceased on Clara's. He is a carter/horse driver on the rest, & John Henry on John Henry's!Of the remaining 2 children, -first 2 born ,Charles m Sarah Bridgewater June 1879 father as "grocer" ( yet to get a copy from archives), no copy yet of Alfred Henry & Emily/Emma Yardley and Thomas m Hannah? -I have no record..Can only see Ellen Moore as witness on Clara's so far..maybe on Charles & Thomas'?. John's wife died in 1877, maybe auntie Ellen helped look after the children?

I would really appreciate any help/suggestions in tracing/proving Ellen Moore. I know there was an Ellen & William living in Blackheath,1871-1891-ironically listed as greengrocer, (fishmonger, potato salesman & glovemaker!) In 1891 living in Halesowen St next to a George Moore..same as you've mentioned Peter, with the Ben Crump boarder. In 1891 a niece Ellen Clift is staying, & Thomas Clift in 1871-Possibly Ellen Moore's maiden name?
I'll look at that Hereford link PeterD..thanks again.

I started family treeing to find some ancestors for my dad...sadly he died last year. He was a born and bred Cradley Heath man. Wish I could tell him his Gt grandad had lived nearby in Foxoak Street!

Thank you all...





Thanks again all

[Northern Lass]

Thanks Sharon I have added in that death on Bcc

Maybe open a new thread for Ellen moore

flagging to archive this one if it is done with

[Sharon]

Thanks NL...did some fishing around Ellen Moore last night, so will post on here for help as a new topic...
Sharon

[linell]

Forgot to add Sharon, that some 'Shops' were in fact, just front rooms or a lean to on a house, the same with Pubs, they weren't always purpose built properties as we have today, no neon lights.

Linell.