Joseph Dawes & Patience Spencer - Black country

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20th October 1873, St Thomas, Dudley

Joseph Dawes - 25 - B - Bundler - Dudley - Joseph Dawes - Charcoal Refiner
Patience Spencer - 26 - Sp - Dudley - Thomas Spencer - Chain ?

Wit Joshia Dawes & Melinda Dawes


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any census please

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1881: 132 Bull Lane, West Bromwich
Joseph Dawe 34 Head Bundler in Iron Works
Patience Dawe 34 Wife
Joseph Dawe 6 Dau
Ann M. Dawe 12 Dau
Norah Dawe 1 Dau West Bromwich
(others born Cradley)

1891: 14 Herbert Street, Chadderton Lancashire
Joseph Dawe 44 Bundler of Iron
Paturin Dawe 44 (Patience on image)
Joseph Thomas Dawe 17 Son Iron Rollers Assistant
Ellen Dawe 8 Dau West Bromwich
Sarah Rachael Dawe 6 Dau

1901: 14 Herbert Street, Chadderton Lancashire
Patience Dawe 55 Head Wid
Joseph T Dawe 26 Son S Iron Works Lab
Ellen Dawe 17 Dau - feeble minded
Sarah R Dawe 16 Dau Cotton Cardloom Hand Oldham, Lancs

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1841
Edward Spencer 15 - Chainmaker
Thomas Spencer 13
Alfred Spencer 12
all n b in c
next door or poss same house
Samuel Barnsley 35 - Publican - y b in c
Mary Barnsley 40 - n b in c
Hannah Barnsley 15 - y b in c
Samuel Barnsley 9 - y b in c
Oram Barnsley 6 - n b in c

(Oram Barnsley marries Ann Dawes sister to Joseph Dawes who marries Patience Spencer)

Poss marriage
1844
SPENCER Thomas NORTON Hannah Sedgley, All Saints Dudley Register Office 216/003/165

1851
Top of Furlong lane, Cradley
Thomas Spencer 23 - Chainmaker - b Birmingham
Hannah Spencer 25 - Chainmaker
Padient Spencer 5
John B R Spencer 1 - b Cradley
Alfred Spencer 21 - bro - Chainmaker - b Birmingham
Eliza Spencer 20 - sis in law - Nailmaker =- b Cradley
others b Rowley

1861
Top of Furlong Lane, Cradley
Samuel Barnesley 55 - Gun barrel maker - b Rowley
Mary Ann Barnesley 61 - b Halesowen
Patience Spencer 15 - granddaug - b Rowley

1871
Furlong Lane, Cradley
Samuel Barnsley 73 - Gun barrel filer - b Rowley
Mary A Barnsley 76 - b Halesowen
Patience Spencer 21 - Niece - Housemaid - b Rowley
Maturia Spencer 2 - Niece - b Cradley
Sarah J Barnsley 12 - granddaug - b Cradley

Samuel Barnsley on BCC
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Vicars notebook
1857
# 80 Furlong Lane
Spencer
Thomas, chains, no church, son of Mrs B at 71
Hannah, no church
John, 7, Jan, new connexion school, no school, unbaped
Richard, 4, unbaped
Thomas, 1, Feb, unbaped

# 71 Furlong Lane
Barnsley
Samuel, chains, no church, hardened
Mary Ann, no church
Oram, 23, chains, no church, church seldom
Patience Spencer, 12, Feb, school, unbaped

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Vicars notebook
1863
# 90 Furlong Lane
Barnesley
Samuel, chain, no church
Mary Ann, no church
Samuel Barnesley, grandson
Patience Spencer, 17, Feb, unbaped, granddaug

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Just found this
IGI Extracted
SAMUEL BARNSLEY
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY ANN SPENCER
Marriage: 15 DEC 1833 Sedgley, Stafford, England

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Vicars Notebook 1857
Stourbridge Road South Side
126
Spencer
Edward Chains Church Regular Pew
Eliza Maria ? Mira? No Church
5 Children
Thomas 11 Chains School
Mary Ann 8 Dec School No School
Edward 6 No School
Ellen 4 Baptised by JHT
Anne 1
Patience 71 is their daughter

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Edward Spencer Here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... cer-Family

Could have this marriage checked
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
SPENCER Alfred HARPER Eliza Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/010/85

Possible baptisms for Edward Thomas and Alfred
IGI Ectracted
EDWARD SPENCER
Birth: 02 SEP 1825
Christening: 02 JAN 1826 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS SPENCER
Mother: MARY ANN

THOMAS WHITE SPENCER
Birth: 04 MAR 1827
Christening: 01 JAN 1829 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS SPENCER
Mother: MARY ANN

ALFRED TAYLOR SPENCER
Birth: 07 NOV 1828
Christening: 01 JAN 1829 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS SPENCER
Mother: MARY ANN

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1851 Top of Firlomg Lane Cradley
Thomas Spencer Head M 23 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Hannah Spencer Wife M 25 Chain Maker Born Rowley
Padient Spencer Daur 5 Scholar Born Rowley
John B R Spencer Son 1At Home Born Cradley
Alfred Spencer Brother M 21 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Eliza Spencer Sister in Law M 20 Chain Maker Born Cradley

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
SPENCER Alfred HARPER Eliza Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/010/85

This could be Eliza
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... per-Family

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Just found this
IGI Extracted
SAMUEL BARNSLEY
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY ANN SPENCER
Marriage: 15 DEC 1833 Sedgley, Stafford, England

is this a second marriage for samuel ?

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1841 Cradley Heath, Rowley
Samuel Barnsley 35 - Publican
Mary Barnsley 40 - n b in c
Hannah Barnsley 15
Samuel Barnsley 9
Oram Barnsley 6
others b in c


1851 Top Furlong Lane Cradley
Samuel Barnsley Head 40 Chain Maker Born Rowley
Mary A Barnsley Wife 42 Chain Maker Born Halesowen
Samuel Barnsley Son 18 Chain Maker Born Rowley
Orane Barnsley Son 17 Chain Maker Born Halesowen
Joseph Rayboute Son In Law Mar. 23 Nail Maker Born Cradley


1861
Top of Furlong Lane, Cradley
Samuel Barnesley 55 - Gun barrel maker - b Rowley
Mary Ann Barnesley 61 - b Halesowen
Patience Spencer 15 - granddaug - b Rowley

1871
Furlong Lane, Cradley
Samuel Barnsley 73 - Gun barrel filer - b Rowley
Mary A Barnsley 76 - b Halesowen
Patience Spencer 21 - Niece - Housemaid - b Rowley
Maturia Spencer 2 - Niece - b Cradley
Sarah J Barnsley 12 - granddaug - b Cradley




so who is mary ann spencer ?

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Poss
Extracted
THOMAS SPENCER
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY ANN JORDEN
Marriage: 27 JUL 1823 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick

Looks like Samuel Barnsley marries 2 Mary Anns, Harris then Spencer..

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Poss
Extracted
THOMAS SPENCER
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY ANN JORDEN
Marriage: 27 JUL 1823 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick

Looks like Samuel Barnsley marries 2 Mary Anns, Harris then Spencer..

so thomas and mary ann jorden

are thomas spencer parent who is the father of paitence

thomas srn dies and she remarries samuel barnsley

Hence

1861
Top of Furlong Lane, Cradley
Samuel Barnesley 55 - Gun barrel maker - b Rowley
Mary Ann Barnesley 61 - b Halesowen
Patience Spencer 15 - granddaug - b Rowley


if she marries samuel in 1833 Oram barnsley is her son not mary ann harris ?

1841 Cradley Heath, Rowley
Samuel Barnsley 35 - Publican
Mary Barnsley 40 - n b in c
Hannah Barnsley 15
Samuel Barnsley 9
Oram Barnsley 6
others b in c

?


what about samuel anyone find a christening ?

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right im going to alter this lot as this i think is the same household and mary ann spencer married samuel barnsley in 1833


1841
Edward Spencer 15 - Chainmaker
Thomas Spencer 13
Alfred Spencer 12
all n b in c

next door or poss same house

Samuel Barnsley 35 - Publican - y b in c
Mary Barnsley 40 - n b in c
Hannah Barnsley 15 - y b in c
Samuel Barnsley 9 - y b in c
Oram Barnsley 6 - n b in c


i also think samuel and oram are mary ann spencers kids with samuel, think the first mary ann Barnsley (nee harris) died between 1826 and 1832/3 anyone find a burial

any objections

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Vicars Notebook

1857 Stourbridge Road South Side
126 Spencer
Edward Chains Church Regular Pew
Eliza Maria ? Mira? No Church 5 Children
Thomas 11 Chains School
Mary Ann 8 Dec School No School
Edward 6 No School
Ellen 4 Baptised by JHT
Anne 1
Patience 71 is their daughter

patience spencer 71 ? poss granmother to edward ?

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any census on above please

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altered and updated

any census on spencer kids ?

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