*Arch pend more info* -HACKET/LAYTON relatives - By Raymond

[FarSide]

1881
69
Hawne Street, Hawne
Charles Siviter 41 - Bricklayer
Emma Siviter 40 - Nail forger
Bertha Siviter 13 - Nail forger
Mary Siviter 10
Sarah A. Siviter 7
Joseph E. Siviter 4 - (def an E)
John Siviter 1 mth
all b Halesowen

1891
83
Hawne Street, Hawne
Charles Siviler 51 - Bricklayer
Emma Siviler 49 - Nailmaker
Bertha Siviler 23 - Horn button factory
Edward J Siviler 13 - Horn button factory
Lily Siviler 7
all b Halesowen

don't see Joseph on the 91

[linell]

Joseph is on BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =168680600

this is the marriage on the link

extracted

SAMUEL WILLETS
MARY PARRISH
Marriage: 15 OCT 1827 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

all those that mention mary payne are submitted so they could be incorrect and the mary is mary parish that would make thomas and joseph in the link brother

Hi Pete, yes Thomas and Joseph are sons of Samuel Willetts born 1805 and Mary Ann Parish, they are all here:-
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =787598415

Witnesses to Mary's marriage to Samuel Willetts were John Parish, Mary's brother and Elizabeth Willetts future wife of John Parish. Witnesses to Thomas and Eliza Franklin's marriage were Josiah Siviter and Mary Taylor. Best Wishes linell.

[Northern Lass]

yes got it spent 10 credits


LAYTON, THOMAS M 44 COLLIERY BOAT LOADER HALESOWEN
LAYTON, BERTHA married 24 years 44 HALESOWEN
LAYTON, ANNIE DAUGHTER 21 IRON SPIKE MAKER HALESOWEN
LAYTON, THOMAS SON 18 FARM LABOURER SERVANT HALESOWEN
LAYTON, ARTHUR 14 FARM LABOURER SERVANT HALESOWEN
LAYTON, WILLIAM 12 SCHOOL HALESOWEN
LAYTON, ELSIE 9 HALESOWEN
LAYTON, LILLY 6 HALESOWEN
LAYTON, GEORGE 4 HALESOWEN
WILLETS, ELIZABETH GRAND MOTHER WIDOW F 85 OLD AGE PENSIONED HALESOWEN

and granies there to top it of he with here in the 1881 census with thomas willetts

so lilly little sister to mary

Well done Peterd finding all that info on the 1911 for Raymond! and spending money

and the marriage you found too.....excellent....

in his stamp collection he found a letter adressed edith from a mrs l siviter 8 lutley ave Halseowen dated 1963

found this

Marriages Dec 1924

Layton Lily Siviter Stourbridge 6c 95
Siviter Joseph H Layton Stourbridge 6c 95


lily poss younger sister or niece

this is great detective work you lot!! as usual no one can touch you all!
Ray will be really pleased not only have you found the L Siviter but you have found connections left right and centre to his family!
and still going strong with them.....

here is the link so far.....

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =678882714

[peterd]

Confused tangent here.. Probably doesn't belong here but I'll post it anyway
This has to be the Joseph on BCC - note connection to Parish..
1851
69
Hagley Road, Hasbury
Samuel Willetts 46
Mary Willetts 47 - b Halesowen
Thomas Willetts 20
Samuel Willetts 17
Sarah Willetts 15
John Willetts 13
Joseph Willetts 8
Henry Willetts 5
Alfred Parish 4 - Lodger
Thomas Parish 1 - Lodger
Harriott Crampton 27 - Lodger
Nailors, others b Hasbury

this is thomas parish

THOMAS PARISH
Christening: 30 SEP 1849 Halesowen, Worcester
Mother: HARRIET PARISH

[Jimmy]

I think this is the right one, he was born in Leicestershire.

Births Jun 1883.
HACKETT Sidney Arthur. Leicester. 7a 229.

1901, I think you will find him in Bournemouth with a brother Reginald W,
and his mother Sarah E.

1901, his father William, sister Maud Mary, and other brother Percy William are in Leicestershire.

1891, he is in Bournemouth with mother and brother I think.

[peterd]

I think this is the right one, he was born in Leicestershire.

Births Jun 1883.
HACKETT Sidney Arthur. Leicester. 7a 229.

1901, I think you will find him in Bournemouth with a brother Reginald W,
and his mother Sarah E.

1901, his father William, sister Maud Mary, and other brother Percy William are in Leicestershire.

1891, he is in Bournemouth with mother and brother I think.

Jimmy this is the wrong one as we've looked the Sidney Hackett and Mary Layton marriage up and his father is Edward and hers is Thomas
Sidney was age 20 -she was age 19 so born c 1888 or 1887 and from the 1901 census Sidney is there with his father Edwin/Edward
and his mother Ann Maria (Nee Taylor) one of the witness was Joseph taylor and the other Annie Layton- Mary's sister

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1861
61
Hagley Road, Hasbury
Samuel Willetts 54 - Pit banksman - b Lutley
Marry Willetts 57
Joseph Willetts 18 - Pit banksman
Henry Willetts 15 - Pit banksman
Alfred Parrish 14 - grandson - Pit banksman
Sarah Willetts 23 - Lodger - nail forger
others b Hasbury

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =965398819 PD

1861
51
Hagley Road, Hasbury
Thomas Crumpton 42 - blind 6 weeks
Harriet Crumpton 35
Thomas Crumpton 13
Mary A Crumpton 10
Jane Crumpton 7
Henry Crumpton 2
John Crumpton 4 Mo
Nailors, all b Hasbury

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =976553616 PD

next door
52
Josiah Siveter 34 - b Halesowen
Anne Siveter 36
Benjamin Siveter 16 - b Northfield
Joseph Siveter 8
James Price 65 - Lodger - Stone mason - Widow
Nailors, others b Hasbury

Couple of doors away
55
John Parrish 55 - Widow - Ag lab
Amelia Parrish 19 - Hauler
David Parrish 17 - Coal miner
George Parrish 15 - Coal miner
Carthina Parrish 9 - Nailor
all b Hasbury

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =506613947 PD
56
Obedience Parrish 70 - Widow - Nailor - b Rowley

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Couple of doors away
55
John Parrish 55 - Widow - Ag lab
Amelia Parrish 19 - Hauler
David Parrish 17 - Coal miner
George Parrish 15 - Coal miner
Carthina Parrish 9 - Nailor
all b Hasbury

John Parish married to Elizabeth Willetts parents were Samuel Willetts and Mary Crumpton
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =517116349

[Jimmy]

This is what Raymond sent me, so it looks like he as got this wrong then,

In viewing these I am looking for a Sidney Arthur HACKETT b 1883 (Leicester, Leicestershire, England, United Kingdom Description: England & Wales, Birth Index 1878-1960 ([7a]- p229)

with what I have been able to find out a possible sister Maud Mary 1876 and a brother Percy William 1880 (Hinckney Leicestershire) [if my google maps indicate is well east of Halesowen - correct me if I am wrong].

Sidney, my mother's father, married Mary Layton about 1907, the Laytons lived in Lutley which appears to be in the correct location as Halesowen and presumable both Mary and Sidney separated soon after Mums birth and she raised by her Grand Parents in Halesowen.

[FarSide]

I wonder.. do we know what was written in the letter, could be some clues..

[Northern Lass]

Yes Jimmy looks like it is the wrong one....

We found a birth that looks very good too

Births Mar 1887
HACKETT Sydney Stourbridge 6c 150

So the Leics one I believe can be ruled out with all the names that we have now tied in.
Based on marriage docs, census etc etc
so important to actually check the docs where we can especially with Willetts and Hacketts!
And don't get me started on the Jones side!
6 spare birth certifs I had for an Edward Jones

[linell]

Just to add a bit more Thomas Parish baptised H/O 1849 was the son of Harriett Parish and Thomas Crumpton. Harriet and Thomas Married 18.11.1849 Halesowen, just after he was baptised. Notes for Thomas Parish/Crumpton.............Thomas is mentioned in the book about the history of Hasbury Methodist Chapel. Thomas was a Blacksmith and built all the Iron Railings which surrounded the Church and Sunday School. He was the Chief Worker when the men built their own Gas Plant. A hole 12 feet deep was built to house the Gas Holder. The men laid 4000 bricks, and filled the hole with buckets of water from three wells, which took a whole week. born 1849:-

Notes for Thomas Crumpton Snr born 1817 ..............Witnesses to Thomas and Harriet's Marriage were Thomas's brother Henry and his wife Catherine, they all made their Mark. Harriet has no father entered. On the 1851 Census Thomas was living a few doors away from Harriet, with his Widowed mother and brother Joseph. In 1873 Thomas was given a coat by the Lea-Smith Charity he is recorded as being blind. I don't know how long he had been blind, he had worked as a Nailer, by 1881 he was no longer working, I wonder if it was an accident whilst forging his Nails?

[peterd]

Just to add a bit more Thomas Parish baptised H/O 1849 was the son of Harriett Parish and Thomas Crumpton. Harriet and Thomas Married 18.11.1849 Halesowen, just after he was baptised. Notes for Thomas Parish/Crumpton.............Thomas is mentioned in the book about the history of Hasbury Methodist Chapel. Thomas was a Blacksmith and built all the Iron Railings which surrounded the Church and Sunday School. He was the Chief Worker when the men built their own Gas Plant. A hole 12 feet deep was built to house the Gas Holder. The men laid 4000 bricks, and filled the hole with buckets of water from three wells, which took a whole week. born 1849:-

Notes for Thomas Crumpton Snr born 1817 ..............Witnesses to Thomas and Harriet's Marriage were Thomas's brother Henry and his wife Catherine, they all made their Mark. Harriet has no father entered. On the 1851 Census Thomas was living a few doors away from Harriet, with his Widowed mother and brother Joseph. In 1873 Thomas was given a coat by the Lea-Smith Charity he is recorded as being blind. I don't know how long he had been blind, he had worked as a Nailer, by 1881 he was no longer working, I wonder if it was an accident whilst forging his Nails?

justed added the 1861 census fs found he was living in hagley road hasbury neigboughs willetts, siviter parish link two out of the three cannot find where siviters link in yet

[linell]

I've checked my notes Peter, have no Siviter link for the Parish or Crumpton Family?? linell.

[peterd]

2 Poss - Sydney or Sidney..
#1
1901
15
Short cross, Hasbury
Edwin Hackett 48 - Labourer at gas pipe works
Ann Maria Hackett 47 - b Lye
Harry Hackett 22 - Button presser
Clifford Hackett 19 - Tube? drawer
Florie Hackett 16 - Button edger
Sidney Hackett 14 - Wagon runner tube works
Elsie Hackett 11
Major Hackett 9
others b Halesowen

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=75792175 PD

HACKETT Edwin TAYLOR Annie M 1872 Amblecote, Holy Trinity West Midlands Dudley Register Office 015/002/456


anyone find ann maria pre marriage ? might even be maria ann?