Searching the GRO

[Katykat]

In the information provided what does the letter signify? ie 1858 M quarter. I guess it’s the time of the year the event occurred but how do you work it out?

[rockyfowler]

Hi GRO is Jan Feb MARCH M April May JUNE J July August SEP S October November DEC D Hope it helps it`s the normal way (For Pros) not me I always use the first month Regards RF

[Katykat]

Thanks RF

[Katykat]

Another question. Is there ever any discrepancy on the GRO? An example - Ann Robert died in 1847 in Llanelli Carmarthenshire. The ONLY record I can find says that she was age 0. But she was actually 45 ish. I’ve searched through all the records from 1841-1851 when I know she definitely wasn’t alive, including similar names and even her maiden name but this is the only death record I can find. So is it possible that the record states age 0 just because they can’t make out the correct age?

[peterd]

Another question. Is there ever any discrepancy on the GRO? An example - Ann Robert died in 1847 in Llanelli Carmarthenshire. The ONLY record I can find says that she was age 0. But she was actually 45 ish. I’ve searched through all the records from 1841-1851 when I know she definitely wasn’t alive, including similar names and even her maiden name but this is the only death record I can find. So is it possible that the record states age 0 just because they can’t make out the correct age?

maybe no age recorded that why 0 ?

[grangers14]

??
ROBERT, ANNE 35
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 26 Page 396

[Katykat]

Thank you Grangers. But my Ann had a child in 1844. He is on the 1851 census as a 6 yr old, but no mother.

[grangers14]

How the GRO is now is brilliant! Death ages do show.
Unless like Pete said, there was no age, I would myself presume the 1847 death is the wrong one.
Is there any possible parish records to look up for that area? I do not know it so no help?

?? Death
ROBERT, ANN 0
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 26 Page 552

?? Birth
ROBERTS, ANN JONES
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 26 Page 638

[gardener]

Another question. Is there ever any discrepancy on the GRO? An example - Ann Robert died in 1847 in Llanelli Carmarthenshire. The ONLY record I can find says that she was age 0. But she was actually 45 ish. I’ve searched through all the records from 1841-1851 when I know she definitely wasn’t alive, including similar names and even her maiden name but this is the only death record I can find. So is it possible that the record states age 0 just because they can’t make out the correct age?

Hi

How do you know "1847 in Llanelli Carmarthenshire"?
What was her maiden name?
And what was the name of this child? "Ann had a child in 1844. He is on the 1851 census as a 6 yr old, but no mother."

[Katykat]

Hi, I am not 100% certain, just really putting bits of information together. BC Wrench found the only parish record of a David Robert marrying a person called Ann in Pembrey was in 1826. Her name is listed as Ann Hugh. Margaret) was born in 1828.Their other children - Elizabeth , David ( my ancester) John and Henry are all listed on 1841 census with Henry’s birth year as 1844. Ann does not appear on 1851 census and the father is listed as a widower. Therefore Ann died between 1844 and 1851. The only Ann Robert that died in that area between those years was the one whose age is listed as 0 in 1847. There is no record of any Ann Robert being born in 1847, although there was an Ann Roberts. However, all documentation pertaining to them has their name as Robert not Roberts. So, hence my question as to whether the age on the GRO might be wrong. It’s all supposition I suppose, a bit of a jigsaw. Note to self- stop reading so many detective & crime solving books.

[gardener]

Well, I notice that Henry's birth if I have the right one) is

ROBERT, HENRY -
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 26 Page 578

but John's is

ROBERT, JOHN HUGH
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 26 Page 522

So since henry's gives no mother's maiden name it is possible that he was not actually David and Ann's son - and Margaret would be just old enough to be his mother.
Taking that out of the equation, Ann could have died anytime after the 1841 census. And there is

ROBERT, ANNE 35
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 26 Page 396

That would be the right age, but you would need to confirm it by getting a certificate or finding her burial record.

[Katykat]

Ooooh, something to investigate Gardener. Note to self- must read MORE detective and crime solving books

Many thanks

[Katykat]

In the 1851 census, Henry is listed as Savids son ( Margaret is not there). In the 861 census, there is only Henry living with David, still listed as son. In 1871 David is living in Henry’s house & is listed as the lodger. In 1881, David is again the father. So it’s curious. I think I’ll investigate Margaret more.

[Katykat]

Well, no evidence that I can find of Margaret b 1828 in Pembrey. She’s on the 1841 census as living with her parents in Pembrey but after that, she seems to have disappeared. No death record fits either. So, I think I’ll record Ann as dying in 1841 as it seems likely and just put Henry’s birth parent as ? Or if anyone has any parish records of either Henry’s birth parents -1844 or of Margaret’s existence ( born 1828). There is a Margaret Robert(s) listed as a servant in Liverpool but this probably is a stretch of the imagination.

[peterd]

Well, no evidence that I can find of Margaret b 1828 in Pembrey. She’s on the 1841 census as living with her parents in Pembrey but after that, she seems to have disappeared. No death record fits either. So, I think I’ll record Ann as dying in 1841 as it seems likely and just put Henry’s birth parent as ? Or if anyone has any parish records of either Henry’s birth parents -1844 or of Margaret’s existence ( born 1828). There is a Margaret Robert(s) listed as a servant in Liverpool but this probably is a stretch of the imagination.

what about marriage ?