Native Place v. birth place

[carol524459]

hello - I have an ancestor who was tried at Clerkenwell General Sessions in 1846 - on his criminal record it states that his Native Place was Waterloo Road, Middlesex - my question is does Native Place refer to where he was born or does it just refer to where he was living at the time of his crime?
Grateful for any clarification of this - thank you .

[Northern Lass]

moving to misc. section.

[Hillhurst]

...my question is does Native Place refer to where he was born or does it just refer to where he was living at the time of his crime?

Have you checked for his 1846 trial proceedings on the Old Bailey Online database? https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/
If it's on there, it might mention that his "Native Place" address (Waterloo Road) was where he was originally from, or if it was his lodgings at the time. Sometimes trial proceedings will give more information relating to defendant and witness addresses. Also, have you tried looking for a newspaper report of the crime/incident? That might offer additional details, as well.

[gardener]

I had a quick Google and found this in an official report on the 1851 census

http://tankona.free.fr/censusuk1851.pdf


"The full extent o f the migration can only be
shown by reference to the ages of the people;
as it is certain that great numbers of those
who during childhood and youth remain in
their native place, leave it in after years.
Accordingly, it will be observed that in all
the tables, where the birth-places o f those
under 20, and of those at and above that age,
are now for the first time distinguished, the
proportion o f the adults who have immigrated
m every district is much greater than the pro-
portion of children and young persons."

So I would take it to mean the place where someone was born. Though no doubt, as with everything, you cannot be sure about what was meant or how a word was used.

[carol524459]

hi Hillhurst - yes I have the trial papers and they do not help - my next step must be to look through newspaper reports as you suggest. Thanks
Carol

[carol524459]

Hello Gardener - thank you for your reply - that document is very interesting and does seem to point toward it being birth place. Now I think I'll need to find out more about other members of his family to see if I can tie them in to the same place.

many thanks again
Carol