ARC TBC - Seadoe or Seador name in Scotland

[MarkCDodd]

1861 in more detail....

1861 census transcription details for: 21, Dukes Terrace, St Pancras
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 123 Folio: 13 Page: 26

Reg. District: Pancras Sub District: 6 Kentish Town
Parish: St Pancras Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 21, Dukes Terrace, St Pancras
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CROSS, Charles Head Married M 42 1819 Tailor Yarmouth Norfolk
CROSS, Mary Wife Married F 34 1827 Scotland
CROSS, Susan Daughter F 11 1850 Yarmouth Norfolk
CROSS, Maria Daughter F 9 1852 Yarmouth Norfolk
CROSS, Elizabeth Daughter F 8 1853 St Pancras Middlesex
CROSS, Georgeina Daughter F 6 1855 St Pancras Middlesex
CROSS, Mary A Daughter F 5 1856 St Pancras Middlesex
CROSS, George Son M 1 1860 St Pancras Middlesex

[MarkCDodd]

That marriage does not appear on the new FMP or TheGenealogist BMD transcripts!!!!

Weird since both are brand new indexes done indepently at the end of last year.

So I had a look and it is Charlotte Goss, not Charles, so FreeBMD have it wrong.

[Jimmy]

Possible marriage.
Marriages Dec 1840.
CORBETT James. Marylebone. 1. 228.
COTTLE Elizabeth Emma. Marylebone. 1. 228.
CUDDEN Robert. Marylebone. 1. 228.
GOSS Charles. Marylebone. 1. 228.
SEADOE_ Mary. Marylebone. 1. 228.
Stenson Sarah. Marylebone. 1. 228.
WILLIS John. Marylebone. 1. 228.
Young John. Marylebone. 1. 228.

This marriage is for, from, London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921. (Ancestry.)
Mary Seadoen.
Spouse Name: James Corbett.
Spouse Age: Full Age.
Record Type: Marriage.
Marriage Date: 16 Nov 1840.
Parish: St Marylebone.
County: Middlesex.
Borough: Westminster.
Father Name: Thomas Cartlidge.
Spouse Father Name: James Corbett.

[MarkCDodd]

I think this is the Mary we are looking for.....

Groom's Name: Charles Goss
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Mary Mc Elroy
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 31 Aug 1845
Marriage Place: Saint Leonards,Shoreditch,London,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04080-6
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 405131
Reference Number:

[Jimmy]

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921. Image available.
about Charles Goss.
Name: Charles Goss. Bac. Tailor.
Age: Full Age.
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845.
Spouse Name: Mary McElroy. Spinster.
Spouse Age: Full Age.
Record Type: Marriage.
Marriage Date: 31 Aug 1845.
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch.
County: Surrey.
Borough: Hackney.
Father Name: William Goss. Malster.
Spouse Father Name: Daniel McElroy. Farmer I think.

[MarkCDodd]

I have the Church Register up on my screen and all that is correct.

He father's name was originally put down as Matthew but then changed to Daniel.

I can't read the witnesses....

Foster William Byr.....

Fanny Byr...

[usignuolo]

This is all great - I would never have thought to look up Cross for Goss for example.
I think the Charles Goss who married Mary Mc must be different. Maybe another branch of the family.

Charles Goss Jr who was apparently born in 1859/60 (not 1850 as it has in 1881 census although it also gives his age as 31) was son of Charles Goss snr and Mary Sead-- . He was my great grandfather. He was a French polisher and my great grandmother was Lydia ---. Strange he is not in 1861 census although there is a one year old George. More research needed I think.

But am still no further forward on Mary Goss nee Seado-- who seems to have been born variously in Scotland, Ireland and Norfolk.......

[usignuolo]

Jimmy

Are you saying Mary Seado-- married James Cottle and not Charles Goss? Because if that is so she is not my great great grandmother at all. it is the Goss side I am descended from and I need to know which Mary married Charles Goss (b 1820/1 Gt Yarmouth) in London in 1840?

I have seen the SEADO-- entry myself at Kew

[Jimmy]

Possible marriage.
Marriages Dec 1840.
CORBETT James. Marylebone. 1. 228.
COTTLE Elizabeth Emma. Marylebone. 1. 228.
CUDDEN Robert. Marylebone. 1. 228.
GOSS Charles. Marylebone. 1. 228.
SEADOE_ Mary. Marylebone. 1. 228.
Stenson Sarah. Marylebone. 1. 228.
WILLIS John. Marylebone. 1. 228.
Young John. Marylebone. 1. 228.

This marriage is for, from, London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921. (Ancestry.)
Mary Seadoen.
Spouse Name: James Corbett.
Spouse Age: Full Age.
Record Type: Marriage.
Marriage Date: 16 Nov 1840.
Parish: St Marylebone.
County: Middlesex.
Borough: Westminster.
Father Name: Thomas Cartlidge.
Spouse Father Name: James Corbett.

According to this record yes, James Corbett married Mary Seadoen. I have seen the cert on Ancestry.

[Jimmy]

I take it you got the name Seado-- from one of the childrens birth certs.

[Jimmy]

1861 in more detail....

1861 census transcription details for: 21, Dukes Terrace, St Pancras
CROSS, Charles Head Married M 42 1819 Tailor Yarmouth Norfolk
CROSS, Mary Wife Married F 34 1827 Scotland
CROSS, Susan Daughter F 11 1850 Yarmouth Norfolk
CROSS, Maria Daughter F 9 1852 Yarmouth Norfolk
CROSS, Elizabeth Daughter F 8 1853 St Pancras Middlesex
CROSS, Georgeina Daughter F 6 1855 St Pancras Middlesex
CROSS, Mary A Daughter F 5 1856 St Pancras Middlesex
CROSS, George Son M 1 1860 St Pancras Middlesex

Its possible that this George should be Charles and as been indexed wrong, there is no birth record for a George that fits.

Births Dec 1859.
GOSS Charles. Pancras. 1b. 155.

[usignuolo]

So who married Charles Goss in 1840? I got the Seado-- name from an entry I read at Kew, but as I said at the start of this thread, I was just starting out on the research and doubtful if it was the correct link. Then recently I found a reference to the Goss family in 1881 census but it did not have the Seado-- information.

1881 census has Mary 58, widow, born in Scotland, b1823 and children at home Maria (1849) Charles (1850) Mary Anne (1859) and Eliza (1867) but of course there may be others. The only Charles Goss father we have managed to link with it is Charles Goss tailor born in Gt Yarmouth in 1821. This makes sense as all the ancestors at that time on both sides were tailors.

[usignuolo]

Just to add my great grandfather was Charles Goss French polisher, born in Kentish town who was married to Lydia. Their daughter Ellen Eliza Goss was my grandmother.

Are there perhaps two Goss families here get muddled up?

[Jimmy]

I would say that Charles's age on the image is deffo 21. not 31.

[MarkCDodd]

There was NO Charles Goss marriage in 1840!!!!!

The only index that says there was is FreeBMD (which Ancestry also uses).

The more up to date indexes do not list a Charles Goss marrying in 1840.

The reason being is that if you look at the actual GRO register the name is CHARLOTTE Goss.

It was a transcription error.

We also have access to the actual church register and flicking through the pages, no Goss marriage in 1840!!!

The Charles Goss who is the father of the children on the census we listed, including the 1881 census, married a Mary McEroy.

There is not Seadon/Seador/Seadoe on any record we have checked.

I have access to the Norfolk registers but unfortunately, of the dozens of registers of the 4 churches in Yarmouth, only one is missing.

And it covers the births we are intereted in.

That is why you will not find the Norfolk baptisms on FamilySearch.