ARC TBC - Wiiliam Yates and family

[mjay]

Hi
I'm Tracing My Hubbys family his father Keith william Yates DOB 17.2.1945 passed away 5.3.1990 age 45 ( we have no one to ask)

His father William Yates DOB 10.11.1918
DOD 10.11.1954 buried at St Johns church Kates Hill Dudley was in forces in ww2 we think army( how do we find out)???
Married Minnie Brookes in 1941 her DOB 1920 DOD 1985
on a recent visit found his parents
Joseoh Yates DOB 1893/4
DOD 27.1.1967 age 73

Hannah (whale???) Yates DOB 1893/4
DOD 22.3.1966 age 72 both buried St Johns church Kates Hill Dudley
How many more children
any help or whatever info will be greatly appreciated
thanx
mandy

[linell]

Hi Mjay, one of our Military men, Peter or Mark will do your Armed Forces Search, they will be on here later.

I found a Marriage for Joseph Yates and Hannah Whale Dudley March Qtr 1914 6c 1175

The only child I found on Free BMD was a Lilian B Yates born 1925. Ancestry has the full BMD Index, so you may find more on there, maybe someone will search for you?

HTH from Linell.

[cid]

There are these contenders

Yates / Whale

YATES Emma P Dudley Staffordshire 1914 Oct-Nov-Dec
YATES William J Dudley Staffordshire 1917 Oct-Nov-Dec
YATES Maud West Bromwich Staffordshire 1918 Apr-May-Jun
YATES Florence M Dudley Staffordshire 1919 Jul-Aug-Sep
YATES Lilian M Dudley Staffordshire 1919 Jul-Aug-Sep
YATES Lilian B Dudley Staffordshire 1925 Oct-Nov-Dec

Plus this one Yates / Wale

YATES Fred West Bromwich Staffordshire 1915 Apr-May-Jun

[Maths girl]

There are these contenders

Yates / Whale

YATES Emma P Dudley Staffordshire 1914 Oct-Nov-Dec --I found surname here as Viggars
YATES William J Dudley Staffordshire 1917 Oct-Nov-Dec
YATES Maud West Bromwich Staffordshire 1918 Apr-May-Jun
YATES Florence M Dudley Staffordshire 1919 Jul-Aug-Sep
YATES Lilian M Dudley Staffordshire 1919 Jul-Aug-Sep
YATES Lilian B Dudley Staffordshire 1925 Oct-Nov-Dec

Plus this one Yates / Wale

YATES Fred West Bromwich Staffordshire 1915 Apr-May-Jun

They could all belong to the same family Maud being born at family's house if father was away at WW1

Lilian M could have died and so Lilian B named after her

Without the birth certificates this is supposition unless you have any further info.

In addition to the ones cid got I found this as well
Elizabeth Yates
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Whale

[Maths girl]

next step is probably to get Marriage certificate and check fathers' names
/birth certificates of at least one child to check maiden name of mother

I think the only way to confirm they are all children of the same marriage is by getting the birth certificates unless they were baptised and the details were included in the register.

Anyone else got any ideas of ways forward?

[mjay]

Thank you

[rockyfowler]

YATES Joseph WHALE Hannah Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/009/143 1914
Births with Whale as mother
YATES Emma P Dudley Staffordshire 1914 Oct-Nov-Dec
YATES William J Dudley Staffordshire 1917 Oct-Nov-Dec
YATES Florence M Dudley Staffordshire 1919 Jul-Aug-Sep
YATES Lilian M Dudley Staffordshire 1919 Jul-Aug-Sep
YATES Lilian B Dudley Staffordshire 1925 Oct-Nov-Dec

[rockyfowler]

30 Mar 1914 St John The Evangelist Kates Hill Dudley
Joseph YATES 20 B Safe Maker 22 Hign St Father Samuel Yates (Dec) Grinder
Hannah WHALE 20 S Domestic Servant 21 Bishop St Father John Whale Quarryman
Wit; John Smith Harriet Whale
Hope This helps

[rockyfowler]

1901
WHALE, John Head Married M 36 1865 Quarry Labourer
England
WHALE, Eliza Wife Married F 38 1863
Dudley
Worcestershire
WHALE, William Son Single M 14 1887
Dudley
Worcestershire
WHALE, Lizzie Daughter Single F 11 1890
Dudley
Worcestershire
WHALE, Harriet Daughter Single F 5 1896
Dudley
Worcestershire
WHALE, Hannah Daughter Single F 7 1894
Dudley
Worcestershire
21, High Street, Dudley (Worcs) County:
Staffordshire
WHALE John RANDLE Eliza Dudley, St James Dudley Register Office 202/010/194 1886

[rockyfowler]

1911
YATES, Mary Ann Head Widow F 54 1857 Staffordshire Willenhall
YATES, Joseph Son Single M 17 1894 Safe Trade Warwick Birmingham
YATES, James Son Single M 15 1896 Errand Lad Staffordshire Willenhall
21 High St Kates Hill Dudly County:
Staffordshire

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30 Mar 1914 St John The Evangelist Kates Hill Dudley
Joseph YATES 20 B Safe Maker 22 Hign St Father Samuel Yates (Dec) Grinder
Hannah WHALE 20 S Domestic Servant 21 Bishop St Father John Whale Quarryman
Wit; John Smith Harriet Whale
Hope This helps

1911
YATES, Mary Ann Head Widow F 54 1857 Staffordshire Willenhall
YATES, Joseph Son Single M 17 1894 Safe Trade Warwick Birmingham
YATES, James Son Single M 15 1896 Errand Lad Staffordshire Willenhall
21 High St Kates Hill Dudly County:
Staffordshire

poss

1901 Albion Rd Willenhall

Samuel Yates 44 grinder, wolverhampton
Mary A Yates 44
John J F Yates 20 grinder
William T Yates 18 grinder
Samuel Yates 15 cutter
Elizabeth Yates 13
Joseph Yates 8 Birmingham
James Yates 5

rest born Willenhall

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1891 Albion Rd Willenhall

Samuel Yates 34 polisher & Grinder, wolvrhampton
Mary Ann Yates 34
John James Fellows Yates 10
William Thomas Yates 8
Samuel Yates 5
Elizabeth Emma Yates

rest born Willenhall

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1881 Monmore Lane House 1 Court 4, Willenhall, Stafford


Samuel YATES 24 Wolverhampton, Stafford, Polisher Art
Mary Ann YATES 24 Willenhall, Stafford,
Mary Jane YATES 2 Willenhall, Stafford,
John James F. YATES 10 m Willenhall, Stafford,

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poss

1871 Walsall Rd, Willenhall

James Yates 48 Handware Polisher, Doxey, Staffordshire
Ann Yates 43 Wolverhampton
Samuel Yates 15 Handware Polisher, Wolverhampton
Martha Yates 13 Willenhall
Joseph Yates 11 Wednesfield Heath

[peterd]

poss

1861: 17 Old Heath, Wednesfield

James Yates 39 Publican, Doxey
Ann Yates 34 wolverhampton
Wm Yates 13 wolverhampton
James Yates 11 wolverhampton
Ann Yates 9 wolverhampton
Jno Yates 7 wolverhampton
Saml Yates 5 wolverhampton
Martha Yates 3 Willenhall
Joseph Yates 6 Mo Wednesfield Heath
Saml Yates 65 visitor, Labourer Stafford