ARC TBC Joseph Bate Blackheath Early 20th century

[Carol]

Hi old friends and new, long time no see but dementia care has taken over my life.
Dad has started calling out Joseph every time he wants anything and this was his big cousin. I believe he was son of another Joseph Bate and lived in the Blackheath area (probably with Grandad in the early day- John Thomas Bate who would have been his brother/uncle if you are with me. I am guessine when Dad was a baby or toddler, Jospeph was like a big brother for him and this has reignited my interest.
Just wondering if any of you good people could look him up anywhere and find out anything about him/what became of him. Possibly left for America although I think I may have sent a Christmas car and can't remember airmail in more recent years.
Many Thanks- sorry not much to go on.
I may have him on a census somewhere in the archives but I thought I would shout on line first.

[mallosa]

This looks like him Carol....

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =117763103

[Carol]

Thank you very much Mallosa and also Jan who posted info. That rings bells- Joseph and Rita from many years ago. Not sure I head Rita in the family tree or if Jan got that from other sources. Many thanks.
Any other references very welcome

[mallosa]

Found the following Carol....

Births Dec 1916
Bate Ethel Tooth Dudley 6b 1548

Births Sep 1918
Bate Annie Tooth Dudley 6b 1438

Births Jun 1922
Bate Joan Tooth Dudley 6b 1688

Births Jun 1926
Bate Reginald J Tooth Dudley 6b 1554

and this one...

Births Dec 1927
Bate Joseph B Tooth Stourbridge 6c 5

[grangers14]

1939. 1 Masters Lane, Halesowen M.B., Worcestershire
Joseph Bate, 6th May 91, Hot press worker heavy works, ARP Warden
Selina Bate, 28th December, 89, unpaid domestics duties
Annie (Roberts) 25th June 18, Clerk stamping works
Joan (Rose) 14th April 22, Stator? Winder elec ? works
Closed record

[Carol]

Ah lovely- thanks very much Mallosa and Grangers, yes they are all the right details- I recognise the family names- Reg is my Dad.
I can identify a lot with Selina right now- unpaid domestic duties and she was definately the family carer as on lots of death certificates.
Can't think what Joan's occ would have been.
I may be wrong but without looking anything up I don't think that can be the right Jospeh. I don't have any Stourbridge connections that I know of and Dad was born is 1926, but Joseph is older than Dad.

[mallosa]

Dad has started calling out Joseph every time he wants anything and this was his big cousin. I believe he was son of another Joseph Bate and lived in the Blackheath area (probably with Grandad in the early day- John Thomas Bate who would have been his brother/uncle if you are with me. I am guessine when Dad was a baby or toddler, Jospeph was like a big brother for him and this has reignited my interest.

Not sure if I have read the above correctly but this is all I can find, any use Carol?

1911: 17 Bannister Street, Cradley Heath, Staffs
Joseph Bate 37 Head Chainmaker married 16 yrs
Elizabeth Bate 37 Wife Tipton
Annie Bate 14 Dau
May Bate 12 Dau
Samuel Bate 10 Son
Thomas Bate 8 Son
Joseph Bate 6 Son
Elizabeth Bate 4 Dau
Beatrice Bate 2 Dau
(others born Cradley Heath)

[Northern Lass]

Don't quite understand this thread...

2 brothers seem to marry a tooth
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =835067139

ie Selina and Henrietta
so which kids are for which Tooth.

and is Joseph born 1927 deceased
and which Tooth is his mother is it Henrietta?

[Northern Lass]

moving to brickwalls

also need to know when rita bate nee cross died have deleted her on bcc until we find out
anyone born after 1920 need deceased date.

[Carol]

Thanks Mallosa and Hi Northern Lass- thanks and yes you are right 2 brothers married 2 sisters.
Henrietta Tooth married John Thomas (k/a Jack) Bate my gransparents and her sister Lena (Selena Tooth married another Bate but can't recall which one.
Henrietta's mother was Henrietta nee Lowe
Joseph Bate I am seeking was born before 1926.

Ah Progress- managed to extract this from Dad - Joseph Bate married Selena Tooth and they had a son Jospeph Bate who is my Dad's cousin- the one who was born a bit before 1926.

Sorry I have more notes somewhere but this is all I can lay my hands on.
I remember Henrietta and Selena had another sister- maybe Ethel and brother Albert

[Carol]

Thanks Mallosa and Hi Northern Lass- thanks and yes you are right 2 brothers married 2 sisters.
Henrietta Tooth married John Thomas (k/a Jack) Bate my grandparents and her sister Lena (Selena Tooth married another Bate but can't recall which one.
Henrietta's mother was Henrietta nee Lowe
Joseph Bate I am seeking was born before 1926.

Ah Progress- managed to extract this from Dad - Joseph Bate married Selena Tooth and they had a son Jospeph Bate who is my Dad's cousin- the one who was born a bit before 1926.

Sorry I have more notes somewhere but this is all I can lay my hands on.
Dad has reminded me of the family- Henrietta and Selina had another 2 sisters and a brother
May Tooth married Luther Tibbets
Ethel Tooth married Ted Trowmans
and Albert Tooth married Annie ??? - digging this out of Dad . He thinks she was an Annie Trowmans so 2 sisters possibly married 2 Trowmans but Trowmans unrelated that we know of . May definately married Luther as we researched all that ages ago.
Northern Lass- I can't decide if that is the right family or not , first I thought it wasn't but now not so sure, Joseph is younger than Thomas but that is the older generation and Joseph's son Joseph may be older than my Dad (Thomas's son). The names are all family names and there was a family marriage at Cradley Heath around that time. Seems more liekly the more I think anbout it.

Thank you - I will print that off and keep

Just another observation -back to Mallosa's earlier post , Dad's birth is registered in June but his birthday is at the end of May, so obviously not registered until June and included in the June index- something worth remembering if you have lost someone in the index.

[Northern Lass]

Are there any bros or sisters of your dads that are deceased that we can add as the children of
John Bate and Henrietta tooth?
if so what are dobs and date of deaths pls.

we have Ethel marrying a Patrick crowe at St asaphs and Albert Tooth marrying Edith Batty

[Carol]

Hi Northern Lass- you are a star- yes both those you have just said are correct- I remember them now you have prompted me- I said to Dad wasn't one of them a Crowe and he looked blank- makes me very glad I extracted all the original information out of him a few years ago.
Batty- yes I remember that name - they are both good.
Dad was an only child so no more names to add for brothers and sisters.

I have seen a lot of web sites die a death over the years and wondering if you have any plans to keep this BCC site up and running forever as far as possible in website terms? I have lots more I could add and maybe a bit of time to do some now.

[Northern Lass]

CArol you have a photo on the forum where you have indicated who is who see here
gallery/image_page.php?album_id=84&image_id=611

can't read some of it could you just go thru and list who is who and see if they are on Bcc?
Also if that is Joseph Bate and Ritas marriage do you know when they died? ....or if they are dead?

re Bcc sending you pm

[Northern Lass]

On the photo looks like you have said that Annie Bate is Annie nee Bate Roberts
is this the marriage
1940
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BATE Annie ROBERTS Stacey Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/010/54