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ARC TBC Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Dig » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:08 pm

I have been unable to find any records for this individual and his family before 1881. I have been trying for the past 5 years with no luck and would appreciate your expertise.

I have found him in 1881, 1891 and 1901 married to Amelia Cooper. Both of their birth dates vary widely between the censuses. I have been unable to find a marriage record. His wife's name is always recorded as Amelia on their children's birth certificates and her burial record.

I have birth certificates for two of their sons:

George Cooper born in Coventry Street, Stourbridge 1869. Mother's maiden name recorded as Bolton.
Isaiah Cooper born in Halesowen Street, Oldbury 1880. Mother's maiden name recorded as Boolon.

Anyone's help will be greatly welcomed.
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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Northern Lass » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:15 am

Do you have his death certif?
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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Jimmy » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:27 am

This looks about right,

1881. 66 Birchy F Lane, Oldbury.
Charles Cooper 36. Labourer, coal wharf. Bonsnall.
Amelia Cooper 33. Birmingham.
Charles Cooper 16. Birmingham.
George Cooper 12. Stourbridge.
Jane Cooper 6. Oldbury.
Benjamin Cooper 3. Oldbury.
Isaiah Cooper 1. Oldbury.

1871. Meriden, Warwickshire.
Charles Cooper 40. Widow. Ag Lab. Brcknell, Warwickshire.
Alice Cooper 15. Dau. Meriden, Warwickshire.
Charles Cooper 6. Son. Meriden, Warwickshire.
Edward Carter 28.

1861. Meriden, Warwickshire.
Charles Cooper 31. Ag Lab. Bickenhill, Warwickshire.
Mary Cooper 31. Wife. Berkswell, Warwickshire.
John Cooper 8. Meriden, Warwickshire.
Alice Cooper 4. Meriden, Warwickshire.
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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Jimmy » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:44 am

Marriages Dec 1852.
Atkins Mary. Meriden. 6d. 422.
COOPER Charles. Meriden. 6d. 422.


COOPER, JOHN. Mothers maiden name ATKINS.
GRO Reference: 1853. D. Quarter in MERIDEN UNION. Volume 06D. Page 275.

COOPER, ALICE Mothers maiden name ATKINS.
GRO Reference: 1857. J. Quarter in MERIDEN UNION. Volume 06D. Page. 302.

COOPER, CHARLES Mothers maiden name ATKINS.
GRO Reference: 1864. J. Quarter in MERIDEN UNION. Volume 06D. Page 363.
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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby BC Wench » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:53 am

My thoughts.

1841 Census: Church Street, Walsall, Staffs
Charles Cooper, 46, Square M(aker)
Daniel Cooper, 17
George Cooper, 12
Peter Cooper, 8
Charles Cooper, 6
David Cooper, 18mths
Hannah Cooper, 40
Ann Cooper, 15
Hannah Cooper, 5
(All born in County)

1851 Census: 4 Church Street, Walsall
Charles Cooper, Head.Mar, 58, Square Maker, Walsall
Hannah Cooper, Wife, 32, Bloxwich
George Cooper, Son.UM, 22, Plater & Metal Finisher, Droitwich
Peter Cooper, Son.UM, 19, Iron Caster, Walsall
Charles Cooper, Son.UM, 17, Iron Caster, Walsall
Hannah Cooper, Dau, 14, Scholar, Walsall
John Cooper, Son, 7, Walsall
Ann Marie Syner(Lynex?), Grand dau, 5, Walsall

1861 Census: 6 Church Street, Walsall
Charles Cooper, Head.Mar, 66, Filer, Walsall
Hannah Cooper, Wife, 56, Bloxwich
Hannah Cooper, Dau.UM, 22, Buckle Stitcher, Walsall
John Cooper, Son.UM, 18, Caster, Walsall

1871 Census: ??????

1881 Census: B. Fields Lane, Oldbury
Charles Cooper, Head.Mar, 36, Labourer Coal Wharf, Bonanace?
Amelia Cooper, Wife, 33, Birmingham
Charles Cooper, Son.UM, 16, Birmingham
George Cooper, Son, 12, Stourbridge
Jane Cooper, Dau, 6, Oldbury
Benjamin Cooper, Son, 3, Oldbury
Isaiah Cooper, Son, 1, Oldbury

1891 Census: 47 Orchard St., Oldbury
Charles Cooper, Head.Mar, 56, General Labourer, Walsall
Amelia Cooper, Wife, 48, Birmingham
Charles Cooper, Son.S, 26, General Labourer, Birmingham
George Cooper, Son.S, 22, General Labourer, Oldbury
Jane Cooper, Dau.S, 16, General Servant, Oldbury
Benjamin Cooper, Son, 14, Scholar, Oldbury
Samuel Cooper, Son, 9, Scholar, Oldbury

1901 Census: 47 Orchard St., Oldbury
Charles Cooper, Head.Mar, 66, Labourer Copper Works, Walsall
Amelia Cooper, Wife, 60, Birmingham
Charles Cooper, Son.S, 34, Labourer Glass Works, Birmingham
Jane Cooper, Dau.S, 26, Oldbury
Benjamin Cooper, Son.S, 23, Labourer Glass Works, Oldbury
Samuel Cooper, Son.S, 18, Labourer Phosphorous Works, Oldbury
Harry Cooper, Son, 5, Oldbury (GRANDSON?)

??Amelia died Sept Qtr 1906 West Bromwich Reg. Dist. Aged 65

1911 Census: 147 Orchard Street, Oldbury
Charles Cooper, Head.Wid, 75, No occupation, Staffs
Charles Cooper, Son.S, 47, Coal Boat Emptier/Glass Works, Warks
Benjamin Cooper, Son.S, 40, Striker (Blacksmith)/Glass Works, Worcs
Henry Cooper, Grandson, 15, Drawer out of tubes/Glass Works, Worcs

On the GRO web site the children's mother's maiden name varies between Bolton/Bootton/Boolon.

I can't see a marriage of Charles & Amelia, but believe her maiden name is BOOTTON
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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Dig » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:22 am

Jimmy wrote:This looks about right,

1881. 66 Birchy F Lane, Oldbury.
Charles Cooper 36. Labourer, coal wharf. Bonsnall.
Amelia Cooper 33. Birmingham.
Charles Cooper 16. Birmingham.
George Cooper 12. Stourbridge.
Jane Cooper 6. Oldbury.
Benjamin Cooper 3. Oldbury.
Isaiah Cooper 1. Oldbury.

1871. Meriden, Warwickshire.
Charles Cooper 40. Widow. Ag Lab. Brcknell, Warwickshire.
Alice Cooper 15. Dau. Meriden, Warwickshire.
Charles Cooper 6. Son. Meriden, Warwickshire.
Edward Carter 28.

1861. Meriden, Warwickshire.
Charles Cooper 31. Ag Lab. Bickenhill, Warwickshire.
Mary Cooper 31. Wife. Berkswell, Warwickshire.
John Cooper 8. Meriden, Warwickshire.
Alice Cooper 4. Meriden, Warwickshire.


Hi Jimmy. Cheers for looking into this. Some questions about your findings if you don't mind.

Why might the DOBs of this couple vary so much between the censuses? Charles's age has hardly changed. From my own records, Charles's DOB could be anywhere between 1835-1845 and Amelia's anywhere between 1835-1848.
Do you think Alice is Amelia? Why might she be recorded with a different name and as his daughter in 1871?
Why might their son George be missing in 1871? He would have been 2 years old and survived to adulthood?
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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Dig » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:28 am

Northern Lass wrote:Do you have his death certif?


Hi Northern Lass. No I don't. Do you think it would help?

I do have his burial record. According to that, he died 7 October 1923 in Oldbury. Body brought from 47 Orchard Street, Oldbury.
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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Dig » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:37 am

BC Wench wrote:My thoughts.

1841 Census: Church Street, Walsall, Staffs
Charles Cooper, 46, Square M(aker)
Daniel Cooper, 17
George Cooper, 12
Peter Cooper, 8
Charles Cooper, 6
David Cooper, 18mths
Hannah Cooper, 40
Ann Cooper, 15
Hannah Cooper, 5
(All born in County)

1851 Census: 4 Church Street, Walsall
Charles Cooper, Head.Mar, 58, Square Maker, Walsall
Hannah Cooper, Wife, 32, Bloxwich
George Cooper, Son.UM, 22, Plater & Metal Finisher, Droitwich
Peter Cooper, Son.UM, 19, Iron Caster, Walsall
Charles Cooper, Son.UM, 17, Iron Caster, Walsall
Hannah Cooper, Dau, 14, Scholar, Walsall
John Cooper, Son, 7, Walsall
Ann Marie Syner(Lynex?), Grand dau, 5, Walsall

1861 Census: 6 Church Street, Walsall
Charles Cooper, Head.Mar, 66, Filer, Walsall
Hannah Cooper, Wife, 56, Bloxwich
Hannah Cooper, Dau.UM, 22, Buckle Stitcher, Walsall
John Cooper, Son.UM, 18, Caster, Walsall

1871 Census: ??????

1881 Census: B. Fields Lane, Oldbury
Charles Cooper, Head.Mar, 36, Labourer Coal Wharf, Bonanace?
Amelia Cooper, Wife, 33, Birmingham
Charles Cooper, Son.UM, 16, Birmingham
George Cooper, Son, 12, Stourbridge
Jane Cooper, Dau, 6, Oldbury
Benjamin Cooper, Son, 3, Oldbury
Isaiah Cooper, Son, 1, Oldbury

1891 Census: 47 Orchard St., Oldbury
Charles Cooper, Head.Mar, 56, General Labourer, Walsall
Amelia Cooper, Wife, 48, Birmingham
Charles Cooper, Son.S, 26, General Labourer, Birmingham
George Cooper, Son.S, 22, General Labourer, Oldbury
Jane Cooper, Dau.S, 16, General Servant, Oldbury
Benjamin Cooper, Son, 14, Scholar, Oldbury
Samuel Cooper, Son, 9, Scholar, Oldbury

1901 Census: 47 Orchard St., Oldbury
Charles Cooper, Head.Mar, 66, Labourer Copper Works, Walsall
Amelia Cooper, Wife, 60, Birmingham
Charles Cooper, Son.S, 34, Labourer Glass Works, Birmingham
Jane Cooper, Dau.S, 26, Oldbury
Benjamin Cooper, Son.S, 23, Labourer Glass Works, Oldbury
Samuel Cooper, Son.S, 18, Labourer Phosphorous Works, Oldbury
Harry Cooper, Son, 5, Oldbury (GRANDSON?)

??Amelia died Sept Qtr 1906 West Bromwich Reg. Dist. Aged 65

1911 Census: 147 Orchard Street, Oldbury
Charles Cooper, Head.Wid, 75, No occupation, Staffs
Charles Cooper, Son.S, 47, Coal Boat Emptier/Glass Works, Warks
Benjamin Cooper, Son.S, 40, Striker (Blacksmith)/Glass Works, Worcs
Henry Cooper, Grandson, 15, Drawer out of tubes/Glass Works, Worcs

On the GRO web site the children's mother's maiden name varies between Bolton/Bootton/Boolon.

I can't see a marriage of Charles & Amelia, but believe her maiden name is BOOTTON


Hi BC Wench. Thanks for your help with this.

Why might it be so difficult to find this family in 1871? They should have been married with two young kids! I have tried searching for each individual in the family individually and still can't find any good matches. I have a birth certificate for their son George. According to that, they were living in Coventry Street, Stourbridge in 1869. Why might a marriage be so hard to come by as well?
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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Jimmy » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:26 pm

Its hard to say why there are variations in age, Alice can't be Amelia, 1871 George may have just been missed off the census or with grandparents, if what I have posted is right this could be his first wife's death record.

COOPER, MARY 37.
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in MERIDEN UNION Volume 06D Page 248
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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby BC Wench » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:17 am

Is this still a Brickwall, or have you solved it?

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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Dig » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:35 pm

BC Wench wrote:Is this still a Brickwall, or have you solved it?

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No, it has not yet been solved. I do have a lead though and am hoping to go to the archives soon to find out more. It may be best if this post is left a little longer if possible.
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Re: ARC TBC Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby BC Wench » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:30 pm

Thanks for letting me know.
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Re: ARC TBC Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Dig » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:52 pm

I have found this record on the Free Reg site that looks as though it might fit.

Charles Cooper married Ann .....
on 6 April 1863
in St Michael and All Angels, Pelsall
Groom 21 years old, Boat ....., Father Abraham Cooper (collier).
Bride 30 years old, Father William ..... (brakeman).

Looks like the handwriting was difficult to read which would explain my difficulty in finding the record. Also, the bride is quite a lot older than the groom which might explain the inconsistency in the ages they gave in the censuses. The marriage was near Walsall which is where the groom was from and it took place the year before the birth of their first child.

Only trouble is, Charles Cooper married Amelia not Ann. Her name is recorded as Amelia in all of the records I have found for her (including censuses, children's birth certificates and burial record). Also, I have not been able to find a matching record on FreeBMD, West Midlands BMD or FamilySearch. Her maiden name varies between her children's birth certificates i.e. Bolton, Boolon.

Does anyone have any thoughts?
Not sure if I could find this marriage record at another archives centre other than Walsall?
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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Jimmy » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:46 am

Ancestry.

Alice Cooper.
Baptism Date: 25 May 1857.
Baptism Place: Meriden, Warwickshire
Father: Charles Cooper. Mother: Mary Cooper.
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Re: Charles Cooper born about 1840, Walsall

Postby Jimmy » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:35 am

Death,
COOPER, CHARLES age 84.
GRO Reference: 1923 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 767.
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