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ARC TBC John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby Waltzer7 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:30 pm

Hi,

I have come across this: -

Name: John Adams
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1771
Baptism Place: Rowley Regis,Stafford,England
Father: Wm. Adams
Mother: Hannah
FHL Film Number: 0873644, 0096891, 476914

and would like to find out if this is our John Adams (1771 - 3 July 1857) who married Nancy and were parents of our Jabez Adams (1815 - 30 December 1883)?

I enclose two death cards, which is all we have, as evidence that John Adams was married to Nancy plus the dates of their deaths.

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I hope I have done this correctly? If not, please let me know.

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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby rockyfowler » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:54 pm

St Giles Rowley Regis Records are kept at Smethwick Archives a fire at church burnt a lot of the originals but luckily these were transcribed by Staffs parish register society earlier

Note from the Vicar of Rowley Regis (The Rev. A. F. Dauglish)

CONCERNING THE FiRE AT RoWLEY ReGIS ChURCH, 18tH JuNE, 1913.

137GJ06

When the iron chest containing the registers was opened early in the morning of the day suc-
eeding the disastrous fire of June i8th, 191 3, it seemed as if all that was left of this wonderful
eries of registers was a pile of wet charred fragments. With considerable difficulty these frag-
lents have been identified, but the paper leaves are so brittle and blackened and the parchment
aves so shrunk and stuck together that it is often almost impossible to decipher the entries.

It is a matter for great thankfulness that the whole series has been transcribed and printed
)r the Staffordshire Parish Register Society, to whom and in particular to Miss Auden, F.R.Hist.S.,
ad her father, the Rev. Prebendary Auden, F.S.A., Rowley Regis owes a debt which can never
e adequately acknowledged.



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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby Waltzer7 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:44 pm

So sad to hear re the fire and thanks for the link to the Rowley Regis parish record book online. I found them on the last page of the online book, but it still does not give me any more clues to whether I have the correct John Adams? All I know about this one is that his parents are William and Hannah Adams, which I have already found (above). I wanted some clues to help link him with his wife Nancy and children: Dorcas, Jabez, Thomas & Matilda. If I go to Smethwick Archives, will I be able to find out more?

Just realised that Smethwick Archives is below Dudley Archives on here so should I be posting under there?
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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby gardener » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:42 pm

Hi. It is often very difficult to move backwards (as you have probably found). Sometimes it can help to go sideways as well, and see if that turns anything up.

I found the following using Google:

Black Country Bugle (June 1993) - Pub of the Month
“……..Extensive grounds at the rear of the ANCHOR operated as a market garden with John Adams
being noted in the 1851 directory as a ‘seedsman’ whilst his son James had taken over the licence of
the public house.”
James Adams, beer retailer, Gorsty Hill [1864]



So I guess these are the census details?

1851
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 2034
Folio: 225
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
John Adams 79 seedsman Rowley
Nancy Adams 78 Rowley

1851
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 2034
Folio: 224
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
James Adams 57 widr licensed victuallar Bleak Heath
Hannah Adams 49 wid sister in law Bocking, Essex

Do you know whose widow Hannah is? And who did James marry?

(not answering your question, but just asking more!)
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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby Waltzer7 » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:30 am

gardener wrote:Hi. It is often very difficult to move backwards (as you have probably found). Sometimes it can help to go sideways as well, and see if that turns anything up.

I found the following using Google:

Black Country Bugle (June 1993) - Pub of the Month
“……..Extensive grounds at the rear of the ANCHOR operated as a market garden with John Adams
being noted in the 1851 directory as a ‘seedsman’ whilst his son James had taken over the licence of
the public house.”
James Adams, beer retailer, Gorsty Hill [1864]



So I guess these are the census details?

1851
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 2034
Folio: 225
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
John Adams 79 seedsman Rowley
Nancy Adams 78 Rowley

1851
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 2034
Folio: 224
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
James Adams 57 widr licensed victuallar Bleak Heath
Hannah Adams 49 wid sister in law Bocking, Essex

Do you know whose widow Hannah is? And who did James marry?

(not answering your question, but just asking more!)


Brilliant! What keyword did you put into Google search?

Looks like there were two James Adams as the one I already have is James Adam Adams, son of Jabez Adams and Nancy Billingham and grandson of John Adams and Nancy so it can't be him otherwise he would have only been 10 years old, far too young to be operating as a beer retailer in 1864. James Adam Adams (born on Saturday, 15th December 1855 - died on 29 June 1880). Looking at the article re James Adams working at The Anchor from 1845 till 1880, which is probably when he died.

So I need to find the christening/baptised date for James Adams to link him up as brother to Jabez and his marriage records. I also need to find the death records for James Adam Adams too.

Enclosed death card, which I originally thought was for James Adam James and is now looking like it was for his Uncle James. Just realised, on the death card, it actually says he was 87 years old when he died so definitely not James Adam Adams! : -
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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby Waltzer7 » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:53 am

Just found baptised date for James Adams: -

Name James Adams
Gender Male
Baptism Date 11 Aug 1793
Baptism Place Rowley Regis,Stafford,England
Father John Adams
Mother Nancy
FHL Film Number 0873644, 0096891, 476914
Household Members
Name Age
John Adams
Nancy
James Adams

& the will of James Adams, which also proves that he is a brother of Jabez: -

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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby Waltzer7 » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:12 pm

gardener wrote:
1851
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 2034
Folio: 224
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
James Adams 57 widr licensed victuallar Bleak Heath
Hannah Adams 49 wid sister in law Bocking, Essex

Do you know whose widow Hannah is? And who did James marry?

(not answering your question, but just asking more!)


Looks like James Adams has married again to Mary Ann Garrett?:-

NAME: James Adams
GENDER: Male
MARITAL STATUS: Widowed
MARRIAGE DATE: 18 Jan 1848
MARRIAGE PLACE: Rowley-Regis, Stafford, England
FATHER: John Adams
SPOUSE: Mary Ann Garratt
FHL FILM NUMBER: 367801
REFERENCE ID: v68 p192 cn383
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS
NAME
John Garratt
Mary Ann Garratt
James Adams
John Adams
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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby gardener » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:29 pm

That will is a great find! Sometimes the will of a spinster aunt who names all the nieces and nephews can answer a lot of questions!

I think I searched for his name along with seedsman, since that occupation is a bit unusual.


I just found another daughter for John and Nancy, and she is already on BCC so I will start a new post and ask if she can be connected up.
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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby Waltzer7 » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:20 pm

Found these: -

Name: William Adams
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 5 Aug 1817
Marriage Place: Halesowen,Worcester,England
Spouse: Hannah Liveter
FHL Film Number: 0599888 IT 4, 886632, 886633, 886634, 886635, 886636, 886637, 886638

The above FHL Film Numbers seems to follow off from Joseph Adams (seedsman) and Sarah, parents of Priscilla (1854 - ?)

And also: -

Name: William Adams
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 26 Aug 1744
Baptism Place: Halesowen,Worcester,England
Father: Charles Adams
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number: 886632, 886633, 886634


Name: William Adams
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 25 Aug 1760
Marriage Place: Rowley, Worcester, England
Spouse: Hannah Rose Adams
FHL Film Number: 291635

Name: Hannah Rose
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 17 Jan 1740
Christening Place: Rowley Regis, Stafford, England
Father: William Rose
Mother: Ann Bowater
Children: George Adams; Nancey Adams; Hannah Adams; William Adams

Also: -

Name: William Adams
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 6 Feb 1853
Marriage Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Spouse: Hannah Hodgetts
FHL Film Number: 378778, 378779, 378780, 378781, 378782, 378783, 378784, 378785

Name: William Adams
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 26 Aug 1744
Baptism Place: Halesowen,Worcester,England
Father: Charles Adams
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number: 886632, 886633, 886634
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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby Northern Lass » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:43 am

Where is that will of James from so I can view it.
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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby rockyfowler » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:54 am

The Probate is free on https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar you can send for copy of Will once you have probate reference £10 or probate on Ancestry http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1904 or FMP :wink:
You`l Need to look for it this site is poor for uplifts
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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby Waltzer7 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:15 am

Northern Lass wrote:Where is that will of James from so I can view it.


Here it is:-
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The full copy is too large for me to attach on here.
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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby Northern Lass » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:20 am

Is it from ancestry? or from somewhere else
where did you find it?
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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby rockyfowler » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:46 am

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Re: John Adams Baptised 22 December 1771

Postby Northern Lass » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:55 am

Thanks :wink:
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