ARC TBC Joseph Rose b 1828

[Mabel]

Sent for a death certificate. Not very helpful. Joseph Rose 32 yrs of Blackheath RR. died on 9th April, occ labourer, cause of death inflammation of lungs not certified,present at death x Nancy Tromans RR. Wanted to tie him in with Mary Rose father Abraham Parkes. Wonder who Nancy Tromans is to him.? is he the Joseph found on 1841 cencus Rowley village living with or next to some Tromans?

[Northern Lass]

Here is Joseph Rose on Bcc
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =594935580


so that death certif matches burial
poss death...
Ancestry
Joseph Rose.
Age: 32.
Burial 11 Apr 1850.Burial Place: Rowley Regis,

and courtesy of RF
St Giles Rowley Regis 1850 11 Apr Joseph ROSE,Blackheath ,32yrs


Don't think it is this one
a Joseph Rhodes
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =157034079

that one is here
poss..
1841. Chapel Strret, Dudley.
Joseph Rodes 30. Miner. n.b.i. c.
Eliza Rodes 30.
Mary Rodes 5.
Sarah Rodes 4.
William Rodes 3 Mo.

1851. Chapel Strret, Dudley.
Eliza Rhodes 45. Widow. Pauper.
Sarah Rhodes 10.
William Rhodes 10.
Emma Rhodes 5.
Eliza Rhodes 1.
All born Dudley.


which 1841 info do you have?

[Northern Lass]

Where is our Joseph Rose in 1841?

did we ever find him?

Mary Parkes sister Sarah does marry Tromans but later
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =180500312

Daniel tromans 1st wife is a nancy

where is daniel tromans in 1841

[grangers14]

??
1841. Village, Rowley Regis.
Ann Rose, 45, Nailor,
Joseph, 22,
Rebecca, 19,
Sarah, 75,
Daniel Truemen? 35, Nailer
All born in County

[Jimmy]

Staffordshire.
Place Rowley Regis.
Church name St Giles.
Register type Parish Register.
Register entry number 8760.
Burial date 13 Mar 1864.
Person age 75.
Burial person forename Nancy
Burial person surname TROMANS.
Burial person abode Village.

[Mabel]

I'm going of on a tangent here but I don't think any one located Mary Rose's first daughter Ann. I think she was probably illegitimate and surname Parkes born 1845 0r 1846. Hannah (Willetts) Parkes illegitimate was down as surname Willetts in 1851 but was registered Parkes on birth certificate. Did Ann die before 1861 or perhaps she was in service in 1861 or living with a relative - just an idea.

[Mabel]

I have a marriage for Daniel Tromans labourer father David dec nailor 22nd Oct1846 to Ann Rose no father named Netherton could this Ann be Nancy Is she the Ann Rose in the 1841 census? Is Joseph her son.

[Mabel]

Also Christening Ann Rose no father named mother Sarah Rose10th March 1793 St Giles seems to be the same family Nancy is a derivative of Ann.

[Mabel]

I thought this christening RR was interesting Mary Ann Jane Rose 26th Dec father Joseph Rose miner deceased mother Mary residence SIVITERS LANE.

[Northern Lass]

Looks to me like the Joseph Rose you are searching for is the one you have recently found certif for.

I think the Nancy tromans is the one who married daniel tromans here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =180500312


In 1841 looks like Daniel is with a Rose family.....dunno how they connect to our Roses here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =594935580

but Sarah Parkes sister to Mary Parkes marries Daniel tromans later
so I think that the nancy tromans is wife to daniel knew the Joseph rose and family
she dies in 1864 and sarah willetts nee parkes marries daniel tromans.

[Northern Lass]

can we work out who that lot in 1841 are

ann rose aged 45 etc the one danl is with

also is there a marriage for danl tromans and an ann or nancy

is that who daniel marries ann rose who he is with in 1841 ...is she known as ann and nancy?

[Northern Lass]

I have a marriage for Daniel Tromans labourer father David dec nailor 22nd Oct1846 to Ann Rose no father named Netherton could this Ann be Nancy Is she the Ann Rose in the 1841 census? Is Joseph her son.

need to know which church and full details on this looks like ours.

[rockyfowler]

FreeReg Marriage entry on 23 Jun 2016

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Field VALUE
County Worcestershire
Place Dudley
Church name St Andrew (Netherton)
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number
Marriage date 22 Oct 1846
Groom forename Daniel
Groom surname TROMANS
Groom age Full age
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode
Groom parish Netherton
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Ann
Bride surname ROSE
Bride age Full age
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode
Bride parish Netherton
Bride occupation
Groom father forename David
Groom father surname TROMANS
Groom father occupation Nailer
Bride father forename ?
Bride father surname ?
Bride father occupation ?
Witness Elizabeth MACKAY
Witness James MACKAY
Register note Groom's father is deceased. No names given for Bride's father

From Archives Dudley
22 Oct 1846 St Andrew Netherton
Daniel TROMANS O B Labourer Netherton Father David Tromans (Dec) Nailer
Ann ROSE O S Netherton Father (Left Blank)
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Elizabeth Mackay X / James Mackay

[Jimmy]

Staffordshire.
Place Rowley Regis.
Church name St Giles.
Register type Unspecified.
Baptism date 10 Mar 1793.
Person forename Ann.
Person sex F.
Mother forename Sarah
Mother surname ROSE.

[Northern Lass]

I will add in that Daniel tromans marriage thanks

So that to me looks like the Ann rose that Daniel marries is the same one in 1841
I think she is the bapt Jimmy found b 1793 mother Sarah.

and that fits with the 1861 where she is aged 68
1861 At Rowley Village,
Daniel Tromans Head 57 Carter/Ag Labourer
Nancy Tromans Wife 68
both born Rowley Regis


so I think that Ann is Nancy and is the witness on that death for Joseph Rose

could it be her brother?