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ARC TBCRichard Hill, born about 1810 in Yorkshire area

Postby Beatles78 » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:48 pm

Hello,

I have a brick wall for my 3x great grandfather, Richard Hill, who was born about 1810 in "Yorkshire" area. I haven't stumbled upon any more descriptive places of birth, nor do I know his parents names. On his death record, it says "don't know" for his mother and father. Down below is what I DO know:

Richard Hill
Born about 1810 (Have seen March of 1811, March 11, 1810, etc), Yorkshire
Died on November 16, 1900 in Fountain County, IN.

His bio in Indiana says: born in England in 1813; settled in Montgomery County, IN in 1853. He served an apprenticeship of 4 years as a butcher, in the neighborhood of London. He was a democrat and Protestant.

He first appeared (so far) in the US in 1843 when he married Sarah Ann Chapman on January 6, 1843 in Parke County, IN.

They had 3 sons. George C, born July 17, 1843; Thomas, born March 4, 1845; and James, born January 25, 1848.

The 1900 census states that he immigrated to the US in 1840. I have found a passenger list for a ship called the Barque Hope from Liverpool, England to New York on 28 March 1841. It says Richard is 28 here, which would put him being born either 1813 or 1812, but it's possible. In any event, I think it's probable that it's him as there are other names on this ship who end up living in the same county as Richard in Indiana. Chapmans (these are relatives of his eventual wife, Sarah, who was born in OH), and Nelsons, to name a couple. Is there any way to find out further information on passengers or where they came from before boarding as to confirm if this was him or not? http://immigrantships.net/v7/1800v7/hope18410528.html

Otherwise, I have no obituary I have found for him, only a death record. His sons died before he did, in the 1890s. His wife Sarah Ann Chapman died in 1909 and there is an obituary for her.

Any assistance with this would be so greatly appreciated!

Thank you very much,
Stephanie Hill
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Re: Richard Hill, born about 1810 in Yorkshire area

Postby gardener » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:45 pm

So, these are the others on that ship

74 William Chapman 62
75 Mary Chapman 5
76 William Chapman 25
77 Geo. Chapman 16
78 Isabella Chapman 14
79 Margt Chapman 12
80 James Nelson 43
81 Jane Nelson 27
82* M?? Nelson 14
83 Alice Nelson 12
84 William Nelson 9
85 Mary Ann Nelson 7
86 Margt Nelson 2
87 Agnes Nelson 5m


Sarah Ann Chapman(1821–1909) married Richard Hill in 1843
She was the daughter of George Chapman(1784–1842) (born Dent, Yorkshire) and Elizabeth Burton.
George was the son of William Chapman (1724-?) and his brother William Chapman(1779–1869) was the one on the ship (above).

James Nelson seems to have married Jane Chapman, according to details of
Mary Ann (Nelson) Hobson's death certificate.

James and Jane were both listed in Quaker records for 1866, and Jane's date of birth is given as 15/9/1813

Isabella Chapman's birth is recorded 19 May 1827 at Dent, listed for the Sedbergh monthly meeting.


IF Richard Hill was from Yorkshire, then perhaps he was from the same area? So looking at Dent/Sedbergh for possible births might find something (and that means Westmoreland as well as Yorkshire because Dent is a bit on the border).

Nothing jumps out at me though :-(

I did notice another Hill family in Parke in 1850
William Hill 5 [it does say 5, but as he is listed above Achsa and is a farmer I suspect it should be 50-something]
Achsa Hill 49
Sally Hill 22
Alfred Hill 20
Franklin Hill 17
Jane Hill 14
John Hill 12
Nathan Hill 8
Mary Hill 5
Joseph Hill 82.

Acsha is Quaker too, but possibly just a red herring
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Re: Richard Hill, born about 1810 in Yorkshire area

Postby Beatles78 » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:30 pm

Hello!

Thanks so much for your reply! I don't believe that Richard Hill is a Quaker -- thought I read somewhere that he is a Methodist - but I do know that Sarah's family was. I also don't think that that Hill family is related as it says they were born in North Carolina in the early 1800s. Richard was born about 1810 in England....and I haven't found any records showing a sibling, etc. Unless Richard's father's brother immigrated to the States before the kids were born. And yes, I would assume that William was 50-something but I can't find him in North Carolina with birth estimations either. And assuming Joseph is the father....I can't find any further information on him either. Can you?

You mention birth records, are there any particular sites you'd recommend to try to see if i can find a baptismal record for him? I was running searches for Richard Hills born about 1810 in the Yorkshire area and found one that COULD fit that i haven't been able to rule out. What are your thoughts on it?

Christening: 1 January 1811
Father: Thomas Hill
Christening Place: Hubberholme, York, England

I did find a Death record for a Richard Hill on 01 January 1834, father Thomas Hill. But....is this the same Richard Hill?

Thank you!
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Re: Richard Hill, born about 1810 in Yorkshire area

Postby gardener » Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:21 pm

Hi

It is annoying not being able to find him.

What is the source for him being born in Yorkshire? Clearly his wife's family was from there, but what about him? I am just concerned about the apprenticed butcher bit, in the London area.

Assuming that the immigration is correct, then his birth year is 1812/13 isn't it? Based on being 28 in 1840, and all the census ages, and the bio (when was that written?). Isn't it just the burial that gives 1810?

I agree that he does not seem to be a Quaker. The problem is that non conformist records are very hit and miss when it comes to preservation. They tended to be in random booklets and bits of paper. And sometimes people swapped churches so siblings are in a variety of registers. And he may have been Baptist but that does not mean that he was born one.

Sorry, I am no help at all!
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Re: Richard Hill, born about 1810 in Yorkshire area

Postby Beatles78 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:42 pm

Hi!

Yes, it frustrates me to no end! I just want a breakthrough! An example of a document saying "Yorkshire, England" is the 1860 census for him. Another researcher had told me that a Nelson close by also had said "Yorkshire" so they looked her up (think it was Jane?) and she happened to immigrated on that ship that i told you about which revealed Richard Hill on it as well. Also, in an 1878 Montgomery County Atlas, there was a bio of Richard Hill also stating: "native of Yorkshire, England."

I've seen various years for his birthdate and various ages. I've seen 1810 (grave, death record), 1811 (1900 census), 1813 (bio). I'm not sure when that bio was written...but i'm assuming in the late 1800s.

Just not sure where to go at this point!

Thanks!
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Re: Richard Hill, born about 1810 in Yorkshire area

Postby gardener » Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:16 pm

:-) the 1860 census was the only one I did not look at - because he is down as Hills.
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Re: Richard Hill, born about 1810 in Yorkshire area

Postby Beatles78 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:14 pm

Ahh, yes. I'm not sure why they added an "S" to Hill but that is definitely my ancestor's family. :wink:
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Re: Richard Hill, born about 1810 in Yorkshire area

Postby Beatles78 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:45 am

Hi!

I thought I'd send another note about this. Any other ideas of how to further find more information on him? Are there any other records related to immigration and that passenger list I found a Richard Hill on? Would be great if there was another record for that that i haven't seen other than the passenger list that may reveal something more?

Thanks again!
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Re: Richard Hill, born about 1810 in Yorkshire area

Postby Beatles78 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:54 pm

Hi all!

I wanted to post an update. I found his naturalization papers in Indiana -- and in Richard's words, he states that he "reached" the United States on 16 June 1841. That ship that we were talking about before *arrived*(?) on 28 May 1841. This seems too close a coincidence for it not to be the same Richard. Could they have been held for 18 days before entering into the US? I have no idea of the protocol back then when immigrating.

I can upload the naturalization papers if one of you wants to see them. Let me know.

Appreciate any replies! :)

Thank you,
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Re: Richard Hill, born about 1810 in Yorkshire area

Postby BC Wench » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:47 am

Is this still a Brickwall, or have you solved it?

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