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A debate about a father!

Postby Fatman » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:18 am

I have recently been discussing my family tree with someone else who is researching the same branch as me, most of our trees match up, but there is a query over one aspect.

I sent him this link id found, http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/us ... 4tree.html - Press F and search for John Gowler (b 1788) - This is where the debate comes in:

What I can’t understand is why everyone claims Robert, who appears in the 1841census and then link him to John Gowler circa 1788, born and christened in Chatteris. This John would have been 52 to 53 years old in 1841 and been married just over 25 years.
Between 1837 and 1850 only 4 John Gowlers died in the whole Country the only one in N. Witchford died the 2nd Qtr. Of 1850 and would match the John Gowler that appears in the census of 1841.

This John Gowler who is 49 years, appears with an Ann Gowler aged 48 years, neither of whom were born in Cambrigeshire:
GOWLER, John 1792 49 M North Witchford 1841
GOWLER, Ann 1793 48 F North Witchford 1841

So where is this John born circa 1788?

What we do know is that:

Robert Gowler Married Elizabeth Lamb in Chatteris on 31st. March 1841, 6 days before the Census was taken, he is described as a Minor, therefore he had not reached 21 years, both are described as being from the parish and his father is named as John, but there is no mention that he is dead.

Elizabeth’s parent is named as Ann described as being re-married therefore Ann’s father is dead.

Would it not make more sense, that the John Gowler who is 49 years and Ann Gowler aged 48 years, who are not from Cambrigeshire are most likely to be the parents’ of Robert?


Can anyone help to sort this out?
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Re: A debate about a father!

Postby Fatman » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:48 am

1851 census of Robert Gowler:
19 Robert Gowler Head 29 abt 1822 Male Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
19 Elizabeth Gowler Wife 31 abt 1820 Female Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
19 Jane Gowler Daughter 6 abt 1845 Female Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
19 Robert Gowler Son 4 abt 1847 Male Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
19 Elizabeth Gowler Daughter 1 abt 1850 Female Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
19 Sarah Walker Cousin 20 abt 1831 Female Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England


1841 Census of the widow of the John Gowler that dies 1850:
116 Ann Gowler Head 63 abt 1788 Female Carrington, Bedfordshire, England
116 Ann Gowler Daughter 18 abt 1833 Female Carrington
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Re: A debate about a father!

Postby linell » Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:46 pm

The 1841 Census was the 6th June. Not all burials have been recorded, a lot are missing, people died from disease and were buried in mass graves. It wasn't law until circa 1870 to have a death certificate. I don't think you can rule anything in or anything out. Linell.
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Re: A debate about a father!

Postby peterd » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:51 pm

robert have any brothers or sisters ?
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Re: A debate about a father!

Postby peterd » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:59 pm

this is poss the cousin

SARAH JANE WALKER
Birth: 08 OCT 1830
Christening: 07 NOV 1830 Chatteris, Cambridge,
Father: JOHN WALKER
Mother: JANE


siblings

MARY ANN WALKER
Birth: 25 NOV 1832
Christening: 23 DEC 1832 Chatteris, Cambridge,


ELIZABETH WALKER
Birth: 26 MAY 1843
Christening: 02 JUL 1843 Chatteris, Cambridge,


could do with finding these on census as roberts mother is a walker or what ever jane surname is ?
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Re: A debate about a father!

Postby Fatman » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:53 pm

peterd wrote:robert have any brothers or sisters ?



Accordikng to my records:

Thomas Gowler b 1827 marries Caroline C Conquest Apr 8 1849 Chatteris and dies 1877

and Roberts Mother is Ann Harlow married oct 12 1815
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Re: A debate about a father!

Postby peterd » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:02 pm

these might be related

ANN GOWLER
Birth: 05 APR 1867
Christening: 28 APR 1867 Chatteris, Cambridge,

Father: WILLIAM GOWLER
Mother: HARRIET


also thomas and carolines kids


EMMA GOWLER
Birth: 02 MAY 1852
Christening: 20 JUN 1852 Chatteris, Cambridge,

Father: THOMAS GOWLER
Mother: CAROLINE



ELIZABETH GOWLER
Birth: 28 AUG 1849
Christening: 07 JUL 1850 Chatteris, Cambridge,

Father: ROBERT GOWLER
Mother: ELIZABETH
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Re: A debate about a father!

Postby peterd » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:13 pm

These must fit in somewhere ?

Kids of John and Ann

THOMAS GOWLER
Christening: 19 OCT 1845 Chatteris, Cambridge, England



Kids of Robert and Elizabeth

GEORGE GOWLER
Birth: 25 MAY 1852
Christening: 20 JUN 1852 Chatteris, Cambridge,

WILLIAM GOWLER
Birth: 06 JUN 1842
Christening: About 26 JUN 1842 Chatteris, Cambridge,

ROBERT GOWLER
Birth: 11 JAN 1847
Christening: 31 JAN 1847 Chatteris, Cambridge,

JOHN GOWLER
Birth: 12 NOV 1854
Christening: 07 JAN 1855 Chatteris, Cambridge




kids of william and elizabeth

ROBERT GOWLER
Birth: 20 SEP 1840
Christening: 11 OCT 1840 Chatteris, Cambridge,

JOHN THOMAS GOWLER
Birth: 19 OCT 1849
Christening: 04 NOV 1849 Chatteris, Cambridge,




kids of william and harriett (so did elizabeth die and william remarried or is it a son of one of the males?)

ROBERT GOWLER
Birth: 05 JUN 1865
Christening: 25 JUN 1865 Chatteris, Cambridge,

FREDERICK GOWLER
Birth: 24 JUN 1869
Christening: 08 AUG 1869 Chatteris, Cambridge,




Kids of Thomas and Caroline

JOHN HENRY GOWLER
Birth: 21 MAR 1850
Christening: 07 JUL 1850 Chatteris, Cambridge,
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Re: A debate about a father!

Postby peterd » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:20 pm

Kids of Dockrill and Mary

ANN GOWLER
Christening: 01 JUL 1804 Chatteris, Cambridge,

MARY GOULAR -
Christening: 19 JAN 1794 Chatteris, Cambridge,

MARY GOULAR -
Christening: 17 APR 1796 Chatteris, Cambridge,

DOCKRILL GOWLER
Christening: 29 JUN 1800 Chatteris, Cambridge,

DOCKWRAY GOULAR
Christening: 01 JUL 1792 Chatteris, Cambridge,

LIVANAH GOWLER
Christening: 25 DEC 1786 Chatteris, Cambridge,

JOHN GOWLER -
Christening: 25 DEC 1788 Chatteris, Cambridge,


LAVINAH GOWLER
Christening: 04 FEB 1798 Chatteris, Cambridge


kids of thomas and Luvinah

MARY GOWLER
Christening: 28 JUN 1818 Chatteris, Cambridge

dont Know if this lot helps ?]
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Re: A debate about a father!

Postby peterd » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:30 pm

Fatman wrote:I have recently been discussing my family tree with someone else who is researching the same branch as me, most of our trees match up, but there is a query over one aspect.

I sent him this link id found, http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/us ... 4tree.html - Press F and search for John Gowler (b 1788) - This is where the debate comes in:

What I can’t understand is why everyone claims Robert, who appears in the 1841census and then link him to John Gowler circa 1788, born and christened in Chatteris. This John would have been 52 to 53 years old in 1841 and been married just over 25 years.
Between 1837 and 1850 only 4 John Gowlers died in the whole Country the only one in N. Witchford died the 2nd Qtr. Of 1850 and would match the John Gowler that appears in the census of 1841.

This John Gowler who is 49 years, appears with an Ann Gowler aged 48 years, neither of whom were born in Cambrigeshire:

GOWLER, John 1792 49 M North Witchford 1841
GOWLER, Ann 1793 48 F North Witchford 1841


So where is this John born circa 1788?

What we do know is that:

Robert Gowler Married Elizabeth Lamb in Chatteris on 31st. March 1841, 6 days before the Census was taken, he is described as a Minor, therefore he had not reached 21 years, both are described as being from the parish and his father is named as John, but there is no mention that he is dead.

Elizabeth’s parent is named as Ann described as being re-married therefore Ann’s father is dead.

Would it not make more sense, that the John Gowler who is 49 years and Ann Gowler aged 48 years, who are not from Cambrigeshire are most likely to be the parents’ of Robert?


Can anyone help to sort this out?






CHATTERIS, a small town, a parish, and a sub-district, in the district of North Witchford, Cambridge. The town stands on the west border of the isle of Ely, near the Cambridge and Wisbeach railway, 10½ miles NNE of St. Ives; and has a station on the railway, a post office‡ under March, a banking office, two chief inns, and a weekly market on Friday. It was known at Domesday as Ceterig or Caterig; and has ever since possessed some local importance; but was not made a market-town till 1834.


http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place ... p?p_id=897





GOWLER, John 1792 49 M North Witchford 1841

So where is this John born circa 1788?


these two johns are poss the one and the same as not always correct with age on the census and 1841 rounded down altought they have put 49 ?
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Re: A debate about a father!

Postby Fatman » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:02 am

Thanks peterd - its kind of helped!

Outstanding bits!:

ANN GOWLER
Birth: 05 APR 1867
Christening: 28 APR 1867 Chatteris, Cambridge,

Father: WILLIAM GOWLER
Mother: HARRIET


I believe Harriets Surname to be Clow, but im not sure where this fits in!

Kids of John and Ann

THOMAS GOWLER
Christening: 19 OCT 1845 Chatteris, Cambridge, England


I do have an unmarried john, but its a pretty common name, so not sure where this bit comes in

kids of william and elizabeth

ROBERT GOWLER
Birth: 20 SEP 1840
Christening: 11 OCT 1840 Chatteris, Cambridge,

JOHN THOMAS GOWLER
Birth: 19 OCT 1849
Christening: 04 NOV 1849 Chatteris, Cambridge,


Absolutely no idea where this is!

kids of william and harriett (so did elizabeth die and william remarried or is it a son of one of the males?)

ROBERT GOWLER
Birth: 05 JUN 1865
Christening: 25 JUN 1865 Chatteris, Cambridge,

FREDERICK GOWLER
Birth: 24 JUN 1869
Christening: 08 AUG 1869 Chatteris, Cambridge,


I assume this is the same william and harriet as above? The date of the childrens births are close?

kids of thomas and Luvinah

MARY GOWLER
Christening: 28 JUN 1818 Chatteris, Cambridge


Hmm in the death record, of Mary, who dies the same year, it states illeg d of Lavinah but she marries a Robert (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/ ... rompage=99)
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Re: A debate about a father!

Postby Fatman » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:29 am

This can be archived too as i think im done with it!
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