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Postby BenF » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:01 am

I've been trying to untangle the London JENKINS' (before I get back to the GREYs ...see other topic).

My ancestor Job JENKINS (a baker) married Fanny Maria MIZEN in 1856 (I have the certified copy from the GRO) at St George Hanover Sq, London.
Job's father is named as Job JENKINS, bricklayer.

So far so simple.

The 1871 Census has Job jnr age "42", born Kentish Town, Yoruonhouse, a Baker, living in Islington with children whose mother had a maiden name Mizen/Mozen/Mirzen,
so that is the right Job - b1828-1829.

I haven't found Job jnr again until his death (Islington) 1899, age 72, implying dob 1825-1826.

From that, the only matching birth I have found is 14/11/1826 (christening 03/12/1826 St Pancras Old Church). That implies parents Job JENKINS (snr) and Jane.

It appears Job snr and Jane christened several children there.

However, the Job snr who had children with Jane died in 1837, and Jane married James Jenkins (I suspect he was Job snr's brother, tbc). But that means Job snr could not have been a bricklayer at the time of Job jnr's wedding in 1856, and I would have expected to be recorded as 'deceased'.

I've checked back over things, put together a spreadsheet with 26 rows of entries relating to sources/individuals they are a source about, and have come to the conclusion that I'm not getting 'my' Job's confused with the other Job JENKINS of St Pancras (b 23/4/1811, census 1841 at Drummond St, died 1855, City of London). I've sorted out so I'm not getting confused by Job snr's father, either (also called Job, of course, who I think may have married Elizabeth).

But despite all that, I can't find any way of reconciling Job snr having died in 1837, while apparently having been a bricklayer, and not recorded as 'deceased', at Job jnr's wedding in 1856.

Any thoughts, please?
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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby BC Wench » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:37 pm

1871 Census: 12 Cromwell Road, Islington
Job Jenkins, Head.Mar, 42, Baker, Gordon House, Kentish Town
Fanny June/Jane Jenkins, Dau, 13, 27 Ely Pl., Pimlico
Job Charles Jenkins, Son, 10, 27 Ely Pl., Pimlico
James Rob Jenkins, Son, 7, 27 Ely Pl., Pimlico

1881 Census: 45 Rupert Rd., (Grocer's Shop), Islington
Job Jenkins, Head.Mar, 54, Baker (unemployed), St. Pancras?, Middlesex
Fanny M. Jenkins, Wife, 56, Westminster
Job C. Jenkins, Son.UM, 19, Bricklayer (unemployed), Pimlico
James R. Jenkins, Son.UM, 17, Grocer's Porter?, Pimlico

1891 Census: 76 Yerbury? Rd., Islington
Joh/Job Jenkins, Head.Mar, 67, Biscuit Baker, Kentish Town
Fanny M Jenkins, Wife, 69, Westminster
James R Jenkins, Son.S, 27, Oilmans Porter?, Pimlico

Baptism: 29 June 1862 St John the Baptist, Kentish Town, Camden
Job Charles (Born 21 Nov 1861) - Parents: Job & Fanny Maria Jenkins - Abode: Pimlico - Father's occ: Bricklayer (definitely says Bricklayer)

I have marriage certificates where the father isn't written down as deceased when he definitely is. It all depends when asked by the Vicar, "Father's Name?" does he then ask if he's deceased, or does the bride or groom offer the fact that he is deceased? Who knows.

I have an Isaac CARTWRIGHT who was a widower when marrying one of my ancestors who was a widow and the name on the marriage certificate from the parish register is CARTER, so mistakes are made.
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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby grangers14 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:37 pm

3rd December 1826. St John the Baptist. Kentish Town
Job, Job and Jane, Jenkins, Bricklayer

Another entry shows,born 14th November 1826
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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby grangers14 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:02 pm

29th June, 1822. St Pancras
Job Jenkins, B, OTP,
Jane Burell, S, OTP,
I couldn't read witnesses names...

23rd September 1837. St Andrew, Holborn
James Jenkins, FA, B, Bricklayer, Greys? Inn? Lane, Job Jenkins, Bricklayer
Jane Jenkins, FA, W, Kentish Town, James Burnell, Butcher
Witnesses, John Sims, Samuel Major Hicks
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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby BenF » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:47 pm

Thanks, both, for the reasurances. Knowing that the 1837 marriage has Bricklayers helps reassure, and there are a few other helpful detais here: so, I will continue with the JENKINS/BURRELL line.
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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby BenF » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:53 pm

I've been able to make a bit more progress on JENKINS. I know have gggg grandparents (and a baptism that I suspect gives previous generation), and got outside London at last (a lot of my family seem to have been in London in the mid C19: for each line my aim is to get outside London).

Thanks for the info you both provided: a lot was familiar, but there were extra details that I appreciated.

I haven't been able to find really strong evidence that Job and James who married Jane BURRELL/BURNELL were brothers, but am working on that assumption. And frustratingly I haven't found any clear record of birth/baptism for James JENKINS b c1833, but since he isn't an ancestor, I will just have to accept ignorance - I know he must be related, but I can't even be sure which generation he is!

Finally: I don't know if anyone else noticed how Job b Kentish Town aged 12 or 13 years every 10 - I had learnt years ago from his records not to take every detail on official records as being 100% accurate - the problem comes with trying to judge which are to be put to one side...

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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby BenF » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:25 am

One final loose end I would like to tie up: Charles JENKINS was on the 1841 census age 3, and at 1861, I think it his hm who appears on the census - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-PZXS, suggesting he married - Louisa, presumaby SMITH.

But I can't find any information about birth or marriage.

I'm sure his mother was Jane nee BURRELL, but was his father (1) her husband Job who was buried 17/02/1837, or (2) James who she married 23.9.1837. Just a closer fix on the DoB should answer: but I'm stuck.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby gardener » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:10 pm

One final loose end I would like to tie up: Charles JENKINS was on the 1841 census age 3, and at 1861, I think it his hm who appears on the census - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-PZXS, suggesting he married - Louisa, presumaby SMITH.

But I can't find any information about birth or marriage.


This one in 1861 seems to be a Charles Henry Jenkins and his marriage to Louisa Smith was

Name: Charles Henry Jenkins
Registration Year: 1859
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Poplar

His father was Henry Jenkins, grocer, on the marriage records so I don't think that is him
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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby BC Wench » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:22 pm

I agree with gardener.

This looks like Charles's baptism even though it's got JENKINSON.

Baptism: 8 April 1838 St Phillip, Stepney, Middlesex
Charles (Born 15 Mar 1838) - Parents: James & Jane JENKINSON - Abode: No 2 York St., C? R? - Father's occ: Bricklayer

1841 Census: College Lane, St. Pancras, Kentish Town, Middlesex
James Jenkins, 30, Bricklayer
Jane Jenkins, 35
Elizabeth Jenkins, 15
William Jenkins, 10
John Jenkins, 10
James Jenkins, 5
Eliza Jenkins, 5
Charles Jenkins, 3

1851 Census: Fitzroy Terrace North, St. Pancras, Middlesex (FMP can't see them on Ancestry)
James Jenkins, Head.Mar, 40, Bricklayer, Thorley?, Hertfordshire
Jane Jenkins, Wife, 50, Epping, Essex
James Jenkins, Son.UM, 18, Bricklayer, Kentish Town

I can't find Charles on the 1851 Census, so could this be his death?

??Death: JENKINS, CHARLES 7 Order
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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby gardener » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:40 pm

1841
Kentish Town
James Jenkins 30 brick layer N
Jane Jenkins 35 N
Elizabeth Jenkins 15 Y
William Jenkins 10 Y
John Jenkins 10 Y
James Jenkins 5 Y
Eliza Jenkins 5 Y
Charles Jenkins 3 Y

1851
Kentish Town

James Jenkins 40 bricklayer Herts, Shurley?
Jane Jenkins 50 Essex, Epping
James Jenkins 18 Middlesex, Kentish Town

1861
Kentish Town
James Jenkins 53 bricklayer Herts, St Albans
Jane Jenkins 60 Essex, Epping

Name: James Jenkins
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 9 Jun 1811
Baptism Place: Shenley, Hertshire, England
Father: Job Jenkins
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 1040659

Name: Job Jenkins
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 1 Nov 1801
Baptism Place: Saint Peter,Saint Albans,Hertford,England
Father: Job Jenkins
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 991322
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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby gardener » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:42 pm

Sorry, crossed with you BCW. I agree that young Charles may have died.
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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby gardener » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:09 pm

Name: Job Jenkins (address says Kentish Town on image)
Record Type: Burial
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1776
Death Date: abt 1824
Burial Date: 4 Jan 1824
Burial Place: St Pancras Parish Chapel, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Parish Chapel
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Register
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Re: Job JENKINS, London Baker, son of Job, bricklayer c1820

Postby BenF » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:18 pm

Thanks, both. My hunch is that, rather than "JENKINSON" in a different part of London, Charles was likely to have been born in Kentish Town, either before official records started in 1837, or alternatively he was not registered according to the requirements (it seems that at first they had difficulty getting people to comply). ...but if (and I think you are right) he died before marriage, we may be without any clear evidence of whether Job or James was his father.

The clearest evidence I can see is the age on the census. PRESUMING the "3 years" is correct (and 1841 census seems to be odd with ages), Charles would have had to have been born between 8th Jun 1837 and 7th Jun 1838, which implies, if James was the father, either a premature birth or conception before marriage (23.09.1837). Seems more likely to me that Jane either had a newborn or was heavily pregnant (presumably by Job, who was buried 17.02.1837) at the time of marriage to James.
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