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Postby SteveTurner » Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:45 am

I've just started researching my mother-in-law's ancestors and wondered if anyone could help. I don't have access to any paid accounts, except if I have time when they have free weekends, so mostly use FreeBMD and the Ancestry Apps on my phone and iPad - the latter gives hints, which I can look at a couple of times for free.

Although my MiL can't doesn't know her maternal grandparents names, I'm confident that I am not barking up the wrong family tree due to a couple of photos Ancestry has found: "he looks just like cousin... and he looks just like uncle.." Also places and commonality on censuses.

The next entry will have the stuff I've found, and the following one the question(s)
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby SRD » Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:49 am

Most libraries have free access to at least one of the paid for sites.
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby grangers14 » Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:57 am

Or ask here, there is a census look ups area...
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby SteveTurner » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:00 pm

Thank you SRD, unfortunately I don't have much spare time during the day to visit the library but ours does have a subscription to Ancestry.

My MiL is Heather Moore, born Oct 1961 in Wirral. Her mother was Rosamunde Margaret Elaine Broadbent but FreeBMD has her as Margaret E R in the marriage to Donald Moore. My wife says Rosamunde as does Heather and on Ancestry they have it as Rosamunde M E Meyer (she remarried).

Roasmunde's parents were Eric Gladstone Broadbent (1898-1961) and Margaret Brimelow (1897- ). Certain of this as there's probate mentioning Rosamunde's older sister.

Eric's parents were John Douglas Broadbent (1864-1940) and Minnie Morris (1866-1950). 1911 census gave me Norman Douglas L Broadbent (1895- ) and Leslie (1904-1961). Ancestry hint gave me photos of John D and Minnie with two young men and a young lady, thought to be taken in 1914 "presumably by Leslie". It's the young men that Heather says look like family she knew/knows.

John D's parents were Owen Broadbent (1829-1888) and Ann Leader Pritchard. 1871 census gives me Owen Leader Broadbenr (1859-1929), Ann Pritchard Broadbent (1860- ), Janet Gertrude Broadbent (1862-1938) and Mary Alice Broadbent (1867- )

Ann Leader Pritchard was born in Savannah, Georgia. The first three children were born in Philadelphia. The last two (including John) were born in Liverpool.

Ancestry threw up some great hints, Owen Leader's gravestone in America, his passport application in America and some passenger lists between Liverpool and Philadelphia.

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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby Jimmy » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:59 pm

From,
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1957.
MOORE Donald. BROADBENT Margaret Elaine Rosamunde. Wirral, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended. Wirral. WW/56/44.

Freebmd.
Births Jun 1938.
Broadbent Margaret E R. Brimelow. Wirral. 8a. 702.
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby Jimmy » Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:09 pm

From,
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1924.
BROADBENT Eric G. BRIMELOW Margaret. Mossley Hill, St. Matthew with St. James Liverpool. 2059WD/3/80.
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby SteveTurner » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:11 pm

Thank you, Jimmy, I didn't know about those sites which might help check the rest.
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby Jimmy » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:49 pm

Jimmy wrote:Freebmd.
Births Jun 1938.
Broadbent Margaret E R. Brimelow. Wirral. 8a. 702.


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1936 to 1938.
BROADBENT Margaret Elaine Rosamunde. West Wirral. Wirral. BRIMELOW. WW/2/20.
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby SteveTurner » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:47 pm

Anyway, my query.

According to Owen L's US passport application (in 1920) his father emigrated to America in 1857 and stayed there 8 years. But according to Liverpool marriage and bahns he married Anne L in 1858 at Liverpool, St Brides (I realise he could have travelled back for this). 8 years makes it 1865, which also agrees with another statement on the application about how long he'd spent in England. However John D Broadbent was born in Liverpool in 1864.

Could he have lied or been mistaken on the application - did he need to for the passport?

Can anyone find any other passenger lists that help?
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby Jimmy » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:29 pm

He could have lied.
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby Jimmy » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:43 pm

1841. Upper Princes End.
John Wellings. 35. Labourer.
Ann Wellings. 40.
George Wellings 9.
Jane Wellings 7.
Elizabeth Wellings 6.
Mary Wellings 4.
Ann Wellings 2.
John Wellings 2 months.
Sarah Bruffon 15.
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby SteveTurner » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:15 pm

Update and a couple of requests.

This last weekend Ancestry.co.uk had free access to passenger lists and I found lots of travelling for Owen Leader Broadbent with his wife (6 years older than he) but also an O.L. Broadbent and his wife 2 years younger who I think is another family.

I also found Owen (the father who married Ann, the American) went to America on 19th Sept 1856. I like to think he went to ask Ann's father's permission to marry.

Request 1. I'm not sure I copied or read one of the ages properly. Owen seems to have been born between 19th Jan and Apr 1 (ish) 1829. On the censuses he is 12, 22 etc and 62 in 1891. On Jan 19 1892 when he arrived back in Liverpool (went in Nov 1891 with his youngest daughter - for Christmas?) he was still 62. It looks like he died in the last quarter of 1898 aged 69.

However I have him as 28 on 19 Sept 1856 and he should be 27.

Can somebody please check the passenger lists for me please.

Request 2: Owen married Ann Leader Pritchard in Mar 1858. I've found two censuses with Ann with her living with her grandfather in 1841 and 1851 in Liverpool. The 1841 census reports his name as Peter Leister aged 63 but you can tell it could be age 65 and Peter Leader, especially as Ann is on the next line and recorded as born in America. I've found from someone else's census, but only as a hint so no further details, that Ann's parents were John Pritchard and Mary Leader.

Can anyone find any information on these two please? I've a feeling they were in America at the time, one or both born there.

Request 3: Any parish data on Peter Leader would be appreciated. I have 1856 as his death but only because he's the only one recorded in Liverpool since 1851 till 1876.

Thank you in advance for any help.
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby gardener » Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:55 pm

Request 2: Owen married Ann Leader Pritchard in Mar 1858. I've found two censuses with Ann with her living with her grandfather in 1841 and 1851 in Liverpool. The 1841 census reports his name as Peter Leister aged 63 but you can tell it could be age 65 and Peter Leader, especially as Ann is on the next line and recorded as born in America. I've found from someone else's census, but only as a hint so no further details, that Ann's parents were John Pritchard and Mary Leader.

Can anyone find any information on these two please? I've a feeling they were in America at the time, one or both born there.



There is a marriage:

Name: John Pritchard
Marriage Date: 23 Aug 1825
Parish: Toxteth, St James
Spouse's Name: Mary Leader
Reference Number: 283 JAM/3/5

john Pritchard is a book-keeper, and the marriage was in the presence of Ann Leader and Peter Leader

Toxteth is the same bit of Liverpool as the marriage for Anne Leader Pritchard and Owen Broadbent in 1858]
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby gardener » Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:12 pm

Request 1. I'm not sure I copied or read one of the ages properly. Owen seems to have been born between 19th Jan and Apr 1 (ish) 1829. On the censuses he is 12, 22 etc and 62 in 1891. On Jan 19 1892 when he arrived back in Liverpool (went in Nov 1891 with his youngest daughter - for Christmas?) he was still 62. It looks like he died in the last quarter of 1898 aged 69.

However I have him as 28 on 19 Sept 1856 and he should be 27.

Can somebody please check the passenger lists for me please.


It certainly says 28 on the image.

Is this his baptism?
Name: Owen Broadbent
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 7 Mar 1829
Christening Place: Friarmere, Yorkshire, England
Father's name: Charles Broadbent
Mother's name: Betty


From probate records (you can see them here https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills )

1899
Owen Broadbent of Wellington Avenue Smithsdown road Liverpool wine merchant died 4 Dec 1898 probate to Janet Walker wife of Thom Vincent Walker and Mary Broadbent Spinster 724 pounds 7s 9d

it is the other daughter named by his widow

Ann Leader Broadbent of Rossett Road Great Crosby Lancashire widow died 11 August 1899 admin to Anne Pritchard Brooks wife of John Edward brooks 290 pounds 13s 7d
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Re: Broadbents of Liverpool and America

Postby gardener » Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:25 pm

Before I lose it

Liverpool, Church of St Peter

Born Nov 13 1803 Mary d of Peter and Ellen Leader formerly Goore, Joiner, Hunter [Street] Christened Jan 1 1804
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