I need some advice ....

[FarSide]

Don't see Philip Powell as yet, I have looked all thru district Resolven, but I think this is Maria
1851
Looks like
Fyny Caci, Resolven
George Pugsley 53 - Rail lab - b Whitney Coasting, Somerset
Mary Pugsley 53 - b Laksborough, Somerset
Maria Pugsley 15 - daug - b Whitney Coasting, Somerset

When were the Wales census's?

[peterd]

Don't see Philip Powell as yet, I have looked all thru district Resolven, but I think this is Maria
1851
Looks like
Fyny Caci, Resolven
George Pugsley 53 - Rail lab - b Whitney Coasting, Somerset
Mary Pugsley 53 - b Laksborough, Somerset
Maria Pugsley 15 - daug - b Whitney Coasting, Somerset

When were the Wales census's?

same as english ones i think ?

[FarSide]

Poss
Batch # I023066
George Pugsley
Spouse: Mary Bailey
Marriage: 03 FEB 1822 Luxborough, Somerset

Poss bro

poss marriage for maria and philip

Marriages Jun 1861

Anderson Mary Jane Cardiff 11a 290
Powell Philip Cardiff 11a 290
Pugsley John Cardiff 11a 290
Pugsley Maria Cardiff 11a 290

[peterd]

Poss
Batch # I023066
George Pugsley
Spouse: Mary Bailey
Marriage: 03 FEB 1822 Luxborough, Somerset

Poss bro

poss marriage for maria and philip

Marriages Jun 1861

Anderson Mary Jane Cardiff 11a 290
Powell Philip Cardiff 11a 290
Pugsley John Cardiff 11a 290
Pugsley Maria Cardiff 11a 290

thought that when i found the marriage but think only 1841 census will prove that or cert

[FarSide]

Poss 2nd marriage for John
1861
114
Lockrail? Road, Llandaff, Cardiff
John Pugsley 31 - Labourer - b Whitencourtney, Somerset
Mary J Pugsley 22 - b Yorkshire Leeds
Sarah A Pugsley 9 - b Glamorgan
John Pugsley 6 - b Cornwall
James Pugsley 4 - b Monmouthshire

1871
181
13 Mill Parade, St Woollos, Monmouthshire
John Pugsley 44 - Labourer - b Somerset
Mary Jane Pugsley 32 - b Cornwall
John Pugsley 17 - Brickyard labourer - b Monmouthshire, Newport
James Pugsley 14
kids b Monmouthshire, Newport

[Jimmy]

These are the census dates for England and Wales.

* 1841 - taken on 7 June
* 1851 - taken on 30 March
* 1861 - taken on 7 April
* 1871 - taken on 2 April
* 1881 - taken on 3 April
* 1891 - taken on 5 April
* 1901 - taken on 31 March
* 1911 - taken on 2 April

* 1921 - taken on 19 June. The 1921 census and all later censuses remain in the custody of the Office for National Statistics. No information will be available from these censuses for 100 years after the date they were conducted.

* 1931 - taken on 26 April but destroyed during World War II
* 1939 - WW2 National Registration - taken 29 September
* 1951 - taken on 8 April
* 1961 - taken on 23 April
* 1971 - taken on 25 April
* 1981 - taken on 5 April
* 1991 - taken on 21 April
* 2001 - taken on 29 April

[FarSide]

There's this
1841
Parish of Wootton Courtney
Geo Pugsley 45 - Mason
Mary Pugsley 40
John Pugsley 15 - Ag lab
Eliza Pugsley 10
Maria Pugsley 8
George Pugsley 4
all b in c

Living next door
John Pugsley 60 - Ag lab
Betty Pugsley 55
Hannah Pugsley 20 - Field lab
Samuel Pugsley 15
all b in c

same page living with Poole family
Mary Pugsley 15 - FS - b in c

[FarSide]

Thx Jimmy, wasn't sure if Wales was at the same time, they married in June, I would have thought Philip Powell couldn't have been far away, only 2 months, possibly a very quick romance

[becca_s]

As for the witnesses at the wedding - I would need to look at the marriage certificate which is with my grandmother. It might take me a few days to get it. I know that one of the witnesses was William Shaw's mother, and I'm not sure about the other person ... you'll have to give me a while, maybe tomorrow I will be able to get the info. I know that they were married in a registry office.

thanks

[becca_s]

poss alice maud powell ? Glamorgan and Monmouthshire area

Births Sep 1889
Powell Alice Maud Pontypridd 11a 452

Births Mar 1890
Powell Alice Maud Pontypool 11a 166


was there a reason for her to get married in bedwelty parents married there ? parents buried there ? or was she born there as census inconsistant ?

I get the feeling that one of these people is her - as she was meant to be born late 1889, I've been told her bday was Dec 26. So perhaps her birth wasn't registered till new year, making the 1890 birth the most likely. And both Pontypool and Pontypridd seem significant.
As for Bedwelty for the Marriage - I think that this has something to do with husband William Shaw - they meet because he was friends with older brother, both had some connection to military - went to boar together I have heard. William Shaw was also working as a collier, his mother Alice Yates (remarried), moved to Wales because she married someone from around the region. She was one of the witnesses at the wedding. Hopefully, I can get the other witness tomorrow although I wouldn't be suprised if it was older brother. It is getting late over here so to late to ring my gran but I will try to ring her tomorrow

[peterd]

if you send for alice maud birth cert this link might help

http://www.torfaen.gov.uk/CommunityAndL ... sites.aspx

[becca_s]

if you send for alice maud birth cert this link might help

http://www.torfaen.gov.uk/CommunityAndL ... sites.aspx

thankyou for that peterd

I have been reading and re-reading through the thread to try and figure it all out.It's confusing because they're all related and living together and there are so many names.

So, to sum it all up.

Mary Powell married Robert Gregory. Her father was Phillip Powell who married Maria Pugsley from Somerset... Mary had sisters Amelia who married Charles Collins, and Elizabeth who married Henry Cousins. It seems like they were all living together and for some reason Robert and Mary Gregory started to raise Robert Collins as their own child. She also had a brother Phillip.

Then we come to Alice Maude Gregory or Powell.

Does it seem like the most likely person to be her father is Phillip Powell jnr - right??

So my next move is to try to find this Phillip Powell and who he married, or if Alice Maude was perhaps illigetimate or something - as she was living with the Gregory's from the age of two, perhaps she lived there from Birth.

But, if one of those birth certificates is really her and the father is Phillip Powell then it should state her birth mother, do children born out of wedlock have birth certificates?

If there is something that I've missed through all of this then please point it out, it's all so complicated to me at the moment - all these people have such complicated living arrangements

At the moment I really want to find Alice Maude's real parents. I will do some more searching in the weekend and try to locate that marriage cert to see who the witnesses are and try to order that birth certificate. If anyone else is able to find out anything else out please let me know ....
Rebecca