I need some advice ....

[peterd]

think you hit the jackpot there san (color coded people on census to show the flow)


look like robert gregory married mary powell judging by ages and place of birth


henry and robert look like brothers jane there mother may be related to edward or maria?


so mary powell prob maria evans daughter from first marriage along with phillip, elizabeth,(collins?) and amelia


and edward and maria evans from second marriage


so is alice maud powell phillip powells daughter her parents died mary adopted her ?
or amelia born out of wedlock ?


1861: Severn? Road, Canton, Glamorgan
Philip Powell 39 Head M Excavator Woolaston, Gloucestershire
Maria Powell 25 Wife M Welton, Somerset
Mary Powell 9 Dau Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
Philip Powell 5 Son Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Eliza Powell 3 Dau Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Amelia Powell 2 Mo Dau Canton, Glamorgan, Wales
William Avery 45 Lodger
David Thomas 59 Lodger
Ann Thomas 52 Lodger


1871: Rickard St, Glamorgan Llantwit Fardre (registration district - Pontypridd)

Edward Evans 32 Head M News? Vendor
Maria Evans 35 M House Keeper
Mary Powell 19 Dau U Merthyr, Glam
Phillip Powell 16 Son U Haulier Cardiff
Elizabeth Powell 13 Dau U Newport, Mon
Amelia Powell 10 Dau Cardiff
Edward Evans 1 Son Cardiff
Maria Evans 1 Dau Cardiff
Jane Gregory 48 Lodger Wid Glamorgan
Robert Gregory 22 Lodger U Lab Iron Works Cardiff, Glam
Henry Gregory 20 Lodger U Lab Iron Works Cardiff, Glam
Robert Bains (Burns?)30 M Pudlar Ireland
Mary Barns (Burns?) 34 M Stone, Staffordshire
Thos Davies 31 Lodger U Curaavon, Glamorgan


1881.

Robert Albert GREGORY. Head M Male 32 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Labourer General.
Mary GREGORY. Wife M Female 28 Merthyr, Glamorgan,
Edward Richd. EVANS. Brother In Law U Male 11 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Scholar.
Maria Jane EVANS. Sister In Law U Female 11 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Scholar.
Elizabeth COLLINS. Sister In Law M Female 22 Newport, Monmouth, Charwoman.
Elizabeth Ann COLLINS. Niece U Female 6 P'pridd, Glamorgan, Scholar.
Robert Hy. COLLINS. Nephew U Male 2 Cardiff, Glamorgan



1891: Graisyn, Helfa Houses, Glystaff, Glamorgan (that what It looks like to me)

Robert George (Gregory on Image) 42 Head Quarryman Cardiff, Glamorgan
Mary George (Gregory on Image) 38 Wife Merthyr, Glamorgan
Robert Henry Collins 11 Nephew Cardiff
Albert C D gregory 5 Nephew Pontypridd, Glamorgan
Alice M Rowell ( looks like Powell/Powill on Image) 22 Neice (says 2 on image) Neath, Glamorgan



1901 63 Hughes Place, Eglwysilan, Pontypridd

Robert Hugh Gregory 53 - Pennant? stone quarry man - b Cardiff
Mary Rosina Gregory 49 - b Merthyr
Albert Charles Gregory 15 - Coalminer C Hewer
Alice Maud Gregory 14 - Daug
Willie Gregory 10
Blodwen Cousins 5 - Neice
others b Pontypridd
Language spoken Mary Rosina speaks both, other English

[mallosa]

Well I'm Gobsmacked by all that!

I'm glad you can work it out cos I'm still tryin'

[peterd]

that the theroy now to prove it with census and marriage not bad for someone who no good at genealogy and just sticks anything on without working it out, only had 8 years of practice must be getting better at it

[peterd]

can we find the 1861 for maria, mary, phillip and elizabeth powell please

[peterd]

1901 census could this be blodwin parents ? amelia being mary sister ?

Marriages Sep 1884

Clee Maria Pontypridd 11a 627
COUSINS Charles Edwin Pontypridd 11a 627
Davies David Pontypridd 11a 627
POWELL Rosanna Amelia Pontypridd 11a 627


if this is mary sister amelia then it would poss rule her out as being alice maud mother ? as alice was born c 1886 to 1889 according to census ?

[mallosa]

can we find the 1861 for maria, mary, phillip and elizabeth powell please

1861: Severn? Road, Canton, Glamorgan
Philip Powell 39 Head M Excavator Woolaston, Gloucestershire
Maria Powell 25 Wife M Welton, Somerset
Mary Powell 9 Dau Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
Philip Powell 5 Son Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Eliza Powell 3 Dau Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Amelia Powell 2 Mo Dau Canton, Glamorgan, Wales
William Avery 45 Lodger
David Thomas 59 Lodger
Ann Thomas 52 Lodger

[peterd]

wonder if maria philip second marriage as mary 9 make maria 14/15 when married think that was just legel then ?

might be worth trying to find phillip in 1851 census see if he married to anyone else ?

[mallosa]

1871: Rickard St, Glamorgan Llantwit Fardre (registration district - Pontypridd)
Edward Evans 32 Head M News? Vendor
Maria Evans 35 M House Keeper
Mary Powell 19 Dau U Merthyr, Glam
Phillip Powell 16 Son U Haulier Cardiff
Elizabeth Powell 13 Dau U Newport, Mon
Amelia Powell 10 Dau Cardiff
Edward Evans 1 Son Cardiff
Maria Evans 1 Dau Cardiff
Jane Gregory 48 Lodger Wid Glamorgan
Robert Gregory 22 Lodger U Lab Iron Works Cardiff, Glam
Henry Gregory 20 Lodger U Lab Iron Works Cardiff, Glam
Robert Bains (Burns?)30 M Pudlar Ireland
Mary Barns (Burns?) 34 M Stone, Staffordshire
Thos Davies 31 Lodger U Curaavon, Glamorgan

Just had another look at that 1871 Census, it shows this

Mary Powell
[Mary Evans] Alternative name for this Record

[peterd]

poss marriage for maria and philip

Marriages Jun 1861

Anderson Mary Jane Cardiff 11a 290
Powell Philip Cardiff 11a 290
Pugsley John Cardiff 11a 290
Pugsley Maria Cardiff 11a 290


poss only amelia is phillip and maria child rest from a previous marriage for philip

[mallosa]

Haven't found him in 1851 yet

[mallosa]

No luck, I wonder if anyone else can see him?

[peterd]

right time to put a call out Farside you find this 51 census

[mallosa]

Yeh, we need our Supersleuth on the case

[becca_s]

Wow,

thankyou so much!! It's taken so many years of people in my family trying to find out where she came from, and it's only taken you all 24 hours!

It's all a bit confusing at the moment because there is so much information. So, Alice Maude Gregory was Mary and Robert Gregory's neice? As she was listed as Alice Maude Powell , Neice in one census, but later on she is listed as Alice Maude Gregory, Daughter.

As far as I know Alice Maude Gregory was born in December 1889, but like I said, I have no birth cert etc ... that's just what I know from word of mouth. I also have heard that all the Gregory children were adopted, so that would mean her brothers were adopted too. I know when the Gregory's were older they also adopted another child and my great grandmother knew about that and it was spoken about openly. I do wonder if Alice Maude Gregory knew who her real parents were but never said anything about it, because it seemed like she was ashamed of it but apparantly she told my aunt that she knew she was adopted but it wasn't something that they spoke about openly in their family.

I know that around 1911, when she got married she was living at 11 High Street, Blackpool. I do not know why they got married in Bedwelty.

So, how do I go about proving this? Or what should I do next?

I really appreciate all your help, I'm living in NZ and not familiar with all the place names etc and still learning about genealogy. I really can't tell you enough how much I appreciate all of your time and help in helping me to solve this family mystery

Anymore help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much, Rebecca

[peterd]

top of the page we've allready set up the census data it a matter of filling the blank space and trying to solve that list of questions there a strong poss alice maud was phillip daug as elizabeth look like she was married to a collins and if that marriage is correct amelia was married to a cousins you might have to order some certificates but before you do mention in as we might able to help you ?

poss elizabeth powells marriage

Marriages Sep 1874

Collins Henry Pontypridd 11a 523
EVANS Sarah Pontypridd 11a 523
Jones John Robert Pontypridd 11a 523
Powell Elizabeth Pontypridd 11a 523


poss amelia powells marriage

Marriages Sep 1884

Clee Maria Pontypridd 11a 627
COUSINS Charles Edwin Pontypridd 11a 627
Davies David Pontypridd 11a 627
POWELL Rosanna Amelia Pontypridd 11a 627



anyone find philip powell on 1881 census ?

who were the witness on alice maud wedding cert ?