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Postby gardener » Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:13 pm

Please feel free to have a go at this :-) It is not a brickwall really, I just don't seem to be getting anywhere with it.

George Seymour
His obituary says that he was born 17th August 1848 at Boston, Lincolnshire
Both parents died when he was young and he was adopted by an uncle, a well known ship owner.
Sent off to school in Peru (!) at 13, then near Paris, then Wiesbaden.
I think he may have missed the 1871 census because he was shipwrecked and stuck in Iceland for a few months. He left on 31st March so doubt if he made it in time for the census on April 2nd. Then he may have missed the 1881 and 1891 census as he worked a lot overseas. He died 4th January 1896.

I didn't manage to find him in the 1851 census, I'm guessing he was by then either with his uncle or at least with parents who were not ag lab etc. Must have been a bit better off?
He is referred to later as George Seymour (fils) so I wondered if his uncle was George Seymour i.e. the ship owner. Then again this might be a red herring. And I guess it is also possible that he was born with a different surname and adopted by his mother's brother?

Can anyone make headway with this? Perhaps find me a Seymour who owned ships?

This George Seymour joined Mr Emerson Bainbridge and Mr Rathbone in 1881 and they formed a mining engineering company if that is any help.
I'm just curious about who the uncle was and who his parents were.

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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby MarkCDodd » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:36 pm

So this would be his birth entry so the Obit is accurate.

Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: SEYMOUR, George
Registration district: Boston
County: Lincolnshire
Year of registration: 1848
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 14
Page no: 300
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby gardener » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:06 pm

Thanks Mark. I wondered about that but there seemed to be an 1851 entry to fit but with an ag lab or similar as father.
I suppose it could be him and his mother came from a better-off family?
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby gardener » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:22 pm

His partner Rathbone was father of Basil Rathbone, this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_Rathbone
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby gardener » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:29 pm

Rathbone and Seymour must have met in uni I think. Rathbone was in Liverpool in 1881/92 according to this site http://www.stowell.org.nz/surnames/rath0755.html but the company was listed as being in London so I suppose George Seymour could have been anywhere at all (in the world probably).
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby MarkCDodd » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:24 pm

This George,

Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: SEYMOUR, George
Registration district: Spalding
County: Lincolnshire
Year of registration: 1848
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 14
Page no: 568

Would be this baptism as Moulton is in the Spalding registration district.

County Lincolnshire
Place Moulton
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 782
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 06 Feb 1848
Forename George
Sex M
FatherForename James
MotherForename Mary Ann
FatherSurname SEYMOUR
MotherSurname
Abode Moulton
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes
FileNumber 18768

Looking at the census of 1851... James is an Ag Lab.
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby MarkCDodd » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:50 pm

I would say finding out which "School Of Mines" he went to would be the best place to start looking for George.

These schools were the precursor to today Technical Colleges.

Here is a New Zealand newspaper article mentioning him.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TT18910624.2.32&l=mi&e=-------10--1----2--
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby MarkCDodd » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:19 am

This article mentions he married the daughter of Major General Scott.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/24480878?searchTerm=%22George%20Seymour%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=George+Seymour|||anyWords|||notWords|||l-textSearchScope=*ignore*|*ignore*|||fromdd|||frommm|||fromyyyy=1889|||todd|||tomm|||toyyyy=1891|||dummy=on|||l-title=174|||l-title=277|||l-title=45|||l-title=276|||l-title=59|||l-title=291|||l-title=172|||l-title=40|||l-title=41|||l-title=171|||l-title=278|||l-title=314|||l-title=34|||l-title=44|||l-title=75|||l-title=89|||l-title=90|||l-title=7|||l-word=*ignore*|*ignore*|||sortby

This is the marriage....

Civil Registration event: Marriage
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Name: SEYMOUR, George
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1881
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 118

MarriageFinder: George Seymour married one of the following people:

BOLTON, Mary Isabel

SCOTT, Laura Selina

CLARKE, John Reade

This is his wife in 1891.

1891 census transcription details for: 27, St Mary Abbotts Terrace, Kensington, St John & St James

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 20
Folio: 171
Page: 16
Reg. District: Kensington
Sub District: Kensington Town
Parish: Kensington
Enum. District: 18
Ecclesiastical District: St Barnabas
City/Municipal Borough: St John & St James
Address: 27, St Mary Abbotts Terrace, Kensington, St John & St James
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SEYMOUR, Laura L Wife Married F 31 1860 Chatham, Kent
SEYMOUR, Darracott Son M 8 1883 London, Earby Court
SEYMOUR, Gladys L Daughter F 7 1884 Richmond, Surrey
WATSON, Frances Servant Single F 22 1869 Parlour Maid Domestic Servant Downham Market, Norfolk
SHIELDS, Jessie Servant Single F 26 1865 Cook Domestic London
FRICKER, Grace M Servant Single F 29 1862 Housemaid Domestic Islington, London

Find My Past just died so I will have a look for the wedding etc soon...
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby MarkCDodd » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:36 am

Darracott becomes a solicitor and can easily be found in the 1901 and 1911 census.

Laura dies...

Civil Registration event: Death

Name: SEYMOUR, Laura Selina
Registration district: Fulham
County: London
Year of registration: 1897
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 37
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 242

Gladys Laura's birth

Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: SEYMOUR, Gladys Laura
Registration district: Richmond (Surrey)
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1883
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 370A

She vanishes and the next record I can find for her is on a ships manifest returning from Quebec in Canada in 1925.

Name: Gladys L Seymour
Birth Date: abt 1883
Age: 42
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 1 Oct 1925
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Minnedosa

I will chase up her departure to Canada....
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby MarkCDodd » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:44 am

This is Laura with her parents in 1861. SOrry for the format but Find My Past only shows individuals when they are in an institution and not the whole family.

Name: Laura Selina Scott
Age: 1 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Young Darrscott Scott
Mother's name: Ellen Salina Scott
Gender: Female
Where born: Old Brampton, Kent, England

Civil parish: Gillingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Brompton
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:


Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Engineer Establishment Brompton Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 480
Folio: 73
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Young Darrscott Scott 39
Ellen Salina Scott 28
Anna Madeleine Scott 9
Edward Darrscott Scott 7
Henry Bowes Scott 6
Frederic Bowes Scott 5
Leslie Parke Scott 3
Laura Selina Scott 1 Months
Georgina Browning Poynter 20
Thomas Reed 41
Mary Anne Reed 39
Fanny Reed 13
Mary Anne Jones 35
Louisa Cook 26
Anne Golding 19
Maria Butler 20
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby MarkCDodd » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:47 am

I can't find a transcript of George's marriage.

Looking at his son we see a connection to the Reckitt family. They made a fortune in the Tea Trade. The elderly Reckitt sisters were School Teachers before they became rich spinsters.

1901 census transcription details for: 12, St James Terrace, Winchester St Thomas

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1081
Folio: 74
Page: 18
Reg. District: Winchester
Sub District: Winchester
Parish: Winchester St Thomas
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: St Thomas & St Clement
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 12, St James Terrace, Winchester St Thomas
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RECKITT, Lucy E Head Single F 78 1823 Living On Own Means Boston, Lincolnshire
RECKITT, Caroline Sister Single F 76 1825 Living On Own Means Boston, Lincolnshire
RECKITT, Edith M Niece Single F 36 1865 Australia Tronoomhe
SEYMOUR, Darracott Grand Nephew Single M 18 1883 University Student Earls Court, London
FRANCIS, M Ann Servant Single F 25 1876 Cook Domestic Southampton, Hampshire
MAIDMENT, Lucy Servant Single F 16 1885 Housemaid Domestic Otterbourne, Hampshire

This is the birth info for the Edith born in Queensland, Australia. The only Reckitt entry in the whole index!

Entry: 1864/C240

DOB: 31/05/1864

Name: Edith Mary Reckitt

Father: Albert Reckitt

Mother: Anna Maria Rees
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby MarkCDodd » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:16 am

The 1891 census shows the connection to the Tea Trade.

1891 census transcription details for: South Alderley, High Moor, Parkstone, Poole

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1639
Folio: 91
Page: 23
Reg. District: Poole
Sub District: Poole
Parish: Parkstone
Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters
City/Municipal Borough: Poole
Address: South Alderley, High Moor, Parkstone, Poole
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RICKITT, Henry B Head Single M 75 1816 Retired Tea Merchant Wainfleet All Saints, Lincolnshire
RICKITT, Lucy E Sister Single F 68 1823 Living On Own Means Boston, Lincolnshire
RICKITT, Croline Sister Single F 66 1825 Living On Own Means Boston, Lincolnshire
RICKITT, Edith M Niece Single F 27 1864 Living On Own Means Queensland, ? British Subject
DIBBIN, Lucy Servant Single F 21 1870 Domestic Servant Poole, Dorsetshire

1881 census transcription details for: School Lane, Chorley

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 3499
Folio: 89
Page: 16
Reg. District: Macclesfield
Sub District: Alderley
Parish: Chorley
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: School Lane, Chorley
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RECKITT, Lucy E Head Single F 58 1823 Annuitant Boston, Lincolnshire
RECKITT, Caroline Sister Single F 56 1825 Annuitant Boston, Lincolnshire
RECKITT, Edith M Niece Single F 16 1865 Scholar Queensland (British Subject)
HAZARD, Sarah Servant Single F 17 1864 General Serv Lowterton, Lincolnshire

1871 census transcription details for: Park Place, Weston-Super-Mare

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 2459
Folio: 70
Page: 69
Reg. District: Axbridge
Sub District: Banwell
Parish: Weston-Super-Mare
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Park Place, Weston-Super-Mare
County: Somersetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
RECKETT, Lucy Head F 48 1823 Lincolnshire
RECKETT, Caroline Sister F 46 1825 Lincolnshire
RECKETT, Edith Mary Niece F 6 1865 Australia
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby MarkCDodd » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:23 am

Can't find the sisters in 1861...probably traveling.

1851 census transcription details for: 281, Stredford Road Hanbury Terrace, Hulme, Manchester

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2221
Folio: 796
Page: 10
Reg. District: Chorlton
Sub District: Hulme
Parish: Hulme
Enum. District: 2DD
Ecclesiastical District: Saint Georges
City/Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 281, Stredford Road Hanbury Terrace, Hulme, Manchester
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RICKITT, Thomas Head Married M 65 1786 Retired Merchant Wainfleet, Lincolnshire
RICKITT, Deborah Wife Married F 64 1787 Retired Merchant's Wife Welborne, Lincolnshire
RICKITT, Lucy E Daughter Unmarried F 28 1823 Teacher [school] Boston, Lincolnshire
RICKITT, Caroline Daughter Unmarried F 26 1825 Teacher [school] Boston, Lincolnshire
MINSHULL, Ruth Servant Unmarried F 33 1818 House Servant Denbighshire, Wales
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Re: If you are bored...George Seymour

Postby MarkCDodd » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:32 am

Could he have been born a Reckitt /Rickitt?

1851 census transcription details for: Liquor Pond Street, Boston

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2099
Folio: 361
Page: 23
Reg. District: Boston
Sub District: Boston
Parish: Boston
Enum. District: 3K
Ecclesiastical District: Saint Botolph Diocess of Lincoln
City/Municipal Borough: Boston
Address: Liquor Pond Street, Boston
County: Lincolnshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RICKITT, William Head Married M 36 1815 General Practitioner M R C S L Wainfleet, Lincolnshire
RICKITT, Anne M Wife Married F 35 1816 Wicklow Eandy, Ireland
RICKITT, George S Son M 2 1849 Boston, Lincolnshire
RICKITT, Charlotte G Daughter F 1 1850 Boston, Lincolnshire
RICKITT, William B Son M 0 (1 MOS) 1851 Boston, Lincolnshire
ASHE, Anne Nurse Widow F 58 1793 Servant Spalding, Lincolnshire
HORNE, Annie Servant Unmarried F 26 1825 Cook North End, Kent, Crag Foot
WILLIAMSON, Maria Servant Unmarried F 19 1832 General Servant Boston, Lincolnshire
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