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apowell wrote: and I'm wondering what type of information is covered in the book 'Halas Halas Halesowen' by F.K. Somers' because I would like to order a copy from the net or is it out of print.

Kind regards
Adrian

According to the introduction Frank Somers was a parish Warden and decided to collect and record information in regard to Hales Owen.

He had access to + others not mentioned specifically
Manor Rolls 1270-1564
Warden's accounts 1487-1582 and 1612 -1641
Parish Church registers began 1559

Hope this helps you to decide.
Maths girl

Hi MG, many thanks for listing all those names, brilliant.

Adrian when I read the book, it is the most comprehensive history of Halesowen, goes back to the days of the Abbey, and the history of the town and Church, it is a must for anyone interested in the history of Halesowen, yes it is out of print unfortunately.

Walter Somers (born in Repton, Derbyshire in 1839, died 1917) was an English engineer and businessman who established a forge company, later known as Walter Somers Limited, producing a range of steel products including items for military use by the British Admiralty during World War I
In 1866 Somers was given a loan of £100 by his father and took on a short lease on an ironworks complex at Mucklow Hill, Halesowen, establishing a forgemaster business. Initially focused on production of chains and anchors, the business later also produced axles and railway buffers. By the last decade of the 19th century, it was delivering forgings to Admiralty specifications - a customer relationship that continued throughout World War I. Somers' company also produced parts of the anchors used on the RMS Titanic.
In 1907 Somers bought Belle Vue House on Mucklow Hill, installing electricity in the house. Overhead lines from a generator at Somers' works supplied current for the house until the 1920s when it connected to public services.[3]
Somers died in 1917, leaving the company under the direction of his two sons, Seth and Frank. Frank Somers was managing director until 1954.

Just found this list of Halesowen Records:-

http://www.londonfhc.org/content/catalo ... esowen&f=1

Hi Maths girl,

That's great information and very kind of you to take the trouble to post for us.

Wow the large list of Hadleys gives more proof that the family was well established in the local area for many many years.

Great stuff.
Adrian

Hi Linell,

linell wrote:Adrian when I read the book, it is the most comprehensive history of Halesowen, goes back to the days of the Abbey, and the history of the town and Church, it is a must for anyone interested in the history of Halesowen, yes it is out of print unfortunately.

I thought so because I attempted yesterday to track down a copy to order on the internet with no joy.

What a shame
Adrian

I have the microfiche Churchwardens book St Thomas, Dudley 1618 to 1725
if anyone wants a lookup, and I've never looked at it, so don't know what info is on there.

FarSide wrote:I have the microfiche Churchwardens book St Thomas, Dudley 1618 to 1725
if anyone wants a lookup, and I've never looked at it, so don't know what info is on there.

Thanks FS, don't think any of them connect to me, my family were all Non Conformists from RR. Cheers someone else may be interested. Best Wishes from Lin.

FarSide wrote:I have the microfiche Churchwardens book St Thomas, Dudley 1618 to 1725
if anyone wants a lookup, and I've never looked at it, so don't know what info is on there.

Thanks FS add it to the look up offers and Annie will add it to the list of members resources on offer

and thanks

how many pages is the book could scan it down and try to create a searchable pdf file should be out of copyright ?

peterd wrote:how many pages is the book could scan it down and try to create a searchable pdf file should be out of copyright ?

If you mean the Halas Hales -- there are 9 pages of Churchwardens --? published 1932 -- how long is copyright and is it affected by if it is republished?

Maths girl wrote:

peterd wrote:how many pages is the book could scan it down and try to create a searchable pdf file should be out of copyright ?

If you mean the Halas Hales -- there are 9 pages of Churchwardens --? published 1932 -- how long is copyright and is it affected by if it is republished?

was thinking about the entire book

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so basiclly if he died before 1938 then copyright finishes in 1989 50 years afterwards

if ne died in 1939 then its 2010 and so on think ive got it right ?


any idea when he died ?

Frank Somers who wrote 'Halas Halas Halesowen' was still on the Civic and Business circuit when I was growing up, circa 1960.

Linell.

linell wrote:Frank Somers who wrote 'Halas Halas Halesowen' was still on the Civic and Business circuit when I was growing up, circa 1960.

Linell.

I think that means it is still in copyright if I have followed this -- how does anyone understand the law?

so permission off the next of kin would be needed as i cannot se it be copyrighted by a major publisher ?