I never thought of that !! You know in hindsight Rocky's correct in pulling you up about your spelling mistakes San. I have to admit it annoys me a bit although i do take into account your origins. Did you know and a lot of people probably wont know this, that Elkie's brother Tony was the drummer for the Dakotas !! You know Cruel Sea ,You'll remember that one San. A lot of Brummie bands used to open with this at The Gay Tower( i love writing that name for some reason). The Dakotas !! Billy J Kramer's backing band or group as we'd say back then.