*Archived * -Agnes Harris 13/11/08

[mumbles]

1)Agnes Unknown born 1865 Rowley Regis married Joseph Rose in c. 1884 inserted by Di
Di has given possibility of marriage to an Agnes Harris in 1884 and I found Agnes Harris married
a Joseph Tromans in December quartile of 1884 Dudley vol.6c page 221 ( Only Agnes marrying a Joseph Rose in period 1881 to 1891)
Checking 1891 Census this date ties up with age of eldest child Naomi born in 1885 RR and with age of Agnes Harris in 1881 when living with father Abner at 45 Gosty Hill as against 95 Gosty Hill for Joseph Rose in 1881.
Suggest this is correct Surname for Agnes Unknown but found more interesting info with further research:-
Di also has Abner Harris born 1806 and if one checks 1871 and 1871 Census Agnes is noted as daughter.
However Abner is shown as married but no sign of his wife Eliza from 1851 Census as she is shown as married and living
with her brother Samuel Parsons in 1861 and brother Rueben Parsons in 1871.This ties up with my Parsons records and I can insert link to main Parson line.
The plot thickens as in 1861,1871 and 1881 a Rebecca Harris is shown as a Servant of Abner Harris and Abner as a Widow in 1881 with a son Isaac.In 1891 and 1901 Rebecca Harris is shown as living with son Isaac Harris and his wife
It would appear that Abner and Eliza separated and Abner took up with his domestic servant.
Before I insert details I would like someone else to check my interpretation as it is difficult to determine whose children are whose ( e.g. Agnes was born in 1865 when Abner and Eliza were separated)

[Northern Lass]

I am confused
I am getting Abner as marrying a Jane mucklow

ABNER HARRIS


Spouse: JANE MUCKLOW
Marriage: 17 MAY 1824 Tipton, Stafford,


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Extracted marriage

and the generations are out
he is b 1806 she is b 1865.....
I need to look on ances

Ok found an Agnes in 1881 census

1881 vine st Quarry Bank Kingswinford
age 16 living with widowed mother Eliza.

so are there 2?

[Northern Lass]

ABNER HARRIS Spouse: ELIZA BATE Marriage: 15 OCT 1850 Saint Peter Dale End, Birmingham, Warwick,
Extracted marriage

ok this is the one on the 1851 at Gosty hill with an Eliza and living with them is a Reuben Bate aged 18 so maybe a son of Eliza
I am adding this to the one b 1806 on connections...here...

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =953517017


so was she prev a Parsons?

[Northern Lass]

ELIZA PARSONS Spouse: ISAAC BATE Marriage: 21 JUN 1818 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Extracted marriage

[Northern Lass]

REUBEN BATE
Christening: 16 DEC 1832 Halesowen, Worcester,
Father: ISAAC BATE Mother: ELIZA
Extracted birth

so that checks out ok
and is going on connections...

So does Eliza have a kid at 65!! somat aint rite there....surely cant be her kid.

Ps did Abner marry pre Eliza to that Jane Mucklow.....?

is he on the 1841 with a Jane?

[Northern Lass]

We have an Isaac Bates on already here...
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

now what if that Isaac and Mary had a kid Isaac who married Eliza Parsons.
and ...
tipton the area where an Abner Harris married prob a 1st wife....

I bet they are connected....help!

need to know where Isaac who married Eliza Parsons came from! and his age on the 1841 census

[FarSide]

Poss
1841
Lower Green, Tipton
Isaac Bate 70 - Nailor
John Bate 25 - Moulder
Sarah Heeler 20
Joseph Heeler 1
all b in county

next door
Betsey Bate 40
Betsey Bate 20
Abraham Bate 15 - Miner
Joseph Bate 13 - Miner
Eliza Bate 11
William Bate 9
Sarah Am Bate 7

1851
50
Walsey? Lane, Tipton
Isaac Bate 80 - Nailor - Widower
John Bate 34 - Moulder - son - married
Hannah Bate 30 - daug married
all b Tipton

[Northern Lass]

That would check out for being the 1771 one wouldnt it?

I have got Abner in 1841 I do think that his first wife was a jane

1841 gosty Hill
Abner Harris 35 nailer Y
Jane 40 y
Benj 15 y

I am putting him on with first wife Jane Mucklow and notes....anyone think any different let me know please!

So is Isaac b 1771 the father of the Isaac who married Eliza Parsons?
and where are Eliza and Isaac in 1841.

[FarSide]

1841
Gorsty Hill, Halesowen
Abner Harris 35 - Nailor
Jane Harris 40
Benn Harris 15
all b in county

1851
4
Gorsty Hill, Halesowen
Abner Harris 45 - Shop keeper
Eliza Harris 50
Reuben Bate 18 - visitor - puddler - b Rowley
others b Halesowen

[Northern Lass]

So what do we think so far?...anyone???

BENJAMIN HARRIS Christening: About 23 OCT 1825 Halesowen, Worcester,
Father: ABNER HARRIS Mother: JANE

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Extracted birth

need that Eliza and that Isaac on the 1841 to verify his dob ......

[Northern Lass]

Ok just gonna jot things as I find them....
Mumbles mentioned Eliza joining Parsons line...so found her parents

ELIZA PARSONS

Birth:
Christening: 25 DEC 1800 Halesowen, Worcester,

Father: RUBEN PARSONS Family
Mother: ANN
Extracted birth or christening record

[Northern Lass]

and look at this....a Harriss

mumbles do you have all this already? cos no use reinventing the wheel....and Yes I agree with the Agnes Harris
and I think that Rebecca is her mother....but not quite worked up to that yet.....does anyone agree?

REUBEN PARSONS
Marriages:
Spouse: ANN HARRISS Marriage: 03 JUN 1793 Clent, Worcester,
Messages:
Extracted marriage

[Northern Lass]

This is gettin weird!

Did that Jane die?

Could it be that Rebecca is his first wife Jane??

I cant see a death for a Dudley regis one on free bmd if they were RRegis it would say RRegis on wmbsgh and Dudley on free bmd.

Someone has Agnes Harris as the dau of Abner and Jane mucklow on IGI.
and...
Isaac b 1862 as the son of Abner and Jane Mucklow!

But Abner did marry Eliza Parsons in 1850....oddly in Warwick...hmmm

no cant be hers Jane Mucklow born about 1801...so too old...so she must have died...
that Rebecca is b abt 1825...who is she!

[Northern Lass]

I think Rebecca b abt 1825 is the dau of Samuel Harris....

and look...

SAMUEL MUCKLOW HARRIS
Christening: About 06 JUN 1802 Halesowen, Worcester,
Father: ANDREW HARRIS Mother: HANNAH

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Extracted birth

that name Mucklow again....Abners first wifes name!
got to connect somehow....dunno how though,,,,think Hannah is a Mucklow....

JANE MUCKLOW
Christening: 08 JUL 1801 Halesowen, Worcester,
Father: THOMAS MUCKLOW Mother: FULLENAH
Extracted birth

[Northern Lass]

So in Conclusion I think that Rebecca is somehow related to Abner Harris- maybe Samuel was a cousin to Abner?

So Rebecca has got to be the mother of Agnes, Isaac and Sarah

I would be tempted to stick that on with notes.

So that is what I am going to do....so Mumbles do you fancy linking this Reuben Parsons Elizas father to your line?
Let us know will you where you are going to link to and from as I am interested to see the connection...post on here will you?