*Arc tbc* ---John William Bishop

[mallosa]

This is a spin off from Elizabeth Unknown thread

1911: 121 Cross St, Smethwick
THACKER, Jesse Alfred Head Married 15 years M 37 1874 Engineers Fitter Smethwick Staffs 7 children born 5 still alive
THACKER, Kitty Wife Married 15 years F 40 1871 Grocer Henlow Bedfordshire
PESTELL, Edward Stepson Single M 16 1895 Engineers Apprentice Bedford Bedfordshire
THACKER, Ernest Alfred Son M 13 1898 School Smethwick Staffs
THACKER, Horace John Son M 11 1900 School Smethwick Staffs
THACKER, Wilfred Jesse Son M 9 1902 School Smethwick Staffs
THACKER, Alice Kitty Daughter F 8 1903 School Smethwick Staffs
THACKER, Frederick James Son M 5 1906 Smethwick Staffs
BISHOP, John William Grandfather Widower M 80 1831 None Southsea Hamps

Here's Jesse's mother Ann Maria Bishop, so John William Bishop must be her father? ..here


1901: 121 Cross Street, Smethwick
John William Bishop 70 Head Wid Grocer
Alfred Neall 36 Son in Law M Gas Pipe Hook Manufacturer Employer Smethwick
Alice M M Neall 33 Dau M Smethwick
Hilda M E Neall 12 Grd Dau Smethwick
Doris Ellen Neall 10 Grd Dau Smethwick
Kathleen May Neall 7 Grd Dau Smethwick
Alfred James L Neall 4 Grd Son Smethwick

Marriage 1888
NEALE Alfred BISHOP Alice M M Smethwick, Holy Trinity Sandwell Register Office 1/3/402


1891: 121 Cross Street, Smethwick
John W Bishop 60 Head Widower Grocery Master Portsmouth, Hampshire
Albert J B Bishop 35 Son S Glass Beveller Smethwick


1881: 121 Cross Street, Smethwick
John Wm. Bishop 56 Head Grocer
Albert J.B. Bishop 25 Son Lab in Iron Pipeworks
William Hy. Bishop 17 Son Potato Salesman
Alice Maud M. Bishop 13 Dau


1871: Cross Street, Smethwick
John W Bishop 40 Head Grocer Southsea, Hampshire
Esther Bishop 42 Wife Rowington, Warwickshire
George Bishop 18 Son Cutter at Glassworks
Albert J Bishop 15 Son Grinder at Glassworks
Emily E Bishop 13 Dau
James A Bishop 9 Son
William H Bishop 7 Son
Frederick W Bishop 5 Son
Alice M M Bishop 3 Dau
(all others born Smethwick)

1861: Cross Street, Smethwick
John William Bishop 30 Glass maker ?
Esther Bishop 34
Dom Maria Brownhill 8 Dau (mistranscribed, says Ann Maria Bishop on image)
George Bishop 7
Albert John 5
Emily Elizabeth Bishop 3

[Northern Lass]

What do you need further on this Mally?

[mallosa]

All I need NL, is a marriage for John and Esther ...here's the link

I think this one's too early?

Marriages Sep 1846
Attwood William Pershore 18 475
Bishop John Pershore 18 475
Harris Eliza Pershore 18 475
Mills Esther Pershore 18 475


Probably this one?

Marriages Jun 1851
Alexander Emma Settle Birmingham 16 419
BISHOP John Birmingham 16 419
Brown Ann Birmingham 16 419
Panton Ruben Birmingham 16 419
Smith Sarah Birmingham 16 419
Swindale John Birmingham 16 419
Tongue Thomas Birmingham 16 419
Wright Esther Birmingham 16 419

Just noticed she was born in Warwickshire so I think it is the 1851 marriage

[mallosa]

Randles?? Just posting this in case we need it...

1851: Oldbury Road, Harborne, Staffs
Benjamin Randles 32 Head Boatman Fitz Shropshire
Elizabeth Randles 35 Wife Birmingham
Caroline Randles 7 Dau Smethwick
John Randles 3 Son Smethwick
William Randles 1 Son Smethwick
Esther Wright 24 Visitor Birmingham

Is Elizabeth her sister?

[Teifi]

Mally

Just idling time and was downright flabbergasted to find my lot at the start of your post!

I've often wondered about the name Bishop - my parents were very close to a Cyril Bishop (who became Head Librarian at Smethwick) - I have wondered whether he was a distant relative or it was just coincidence. Anyway he was a lovely guy and a talented artist too.

[mallosa]

Great Teifi! It all goes to show how worthwhile this research really is!

[Teifi]

Mally - I'll get round to entering all this extra info. shortly.

[Teifi]

I can't believe it - just reread the original post and find that the census return(1911) states my grandparents had 7 children (5 living).

I find this incredible, my father never mentioned other siblings beyond the ones I knew about. Also his step brother (16 at the time of the census) never mentioned anything. This is a puzzle. Any ideas of how to try and trace these lost infants plse?

[mallosa]

1871: Cross Street, Smethwick
John W Bishop 40 Head Grocer Southsea, Hampshire
Esther Bishop 42 Wife Rowington, Warwickshire
George Bishop 18 Son Cutter at Glassworks
Albert J Bishop 15 Son Grinder at Glassworks
Emily E Bishop 13 Dau
James A Bishop 9 Son
William H Bishop 7 Son
Frederick W Bishop 5 Son
Alice M M Bishop 3 Dau
(all others born Smethwick)

1861: Cross Street, Smethwick
John William Bishop 30 Glass maker ?
Esther Bishop 34
Dom Maria Brownhill 8 Dau (mistranscribed, says Ann Maria Bishop on image)
George Bishop 7
Albert John 5
Emily Elizabeth Bishop 3

Ann Maria had left home by 1871, I wonder if this is her marriage?

Marriage 1870
BISHOP Ann M ROBERTS James Rowley Regis, St Giles Sandwell Register Office 18/4/191

Mmmm...forget that, can't find them on the census

[grangers14]

Teifi » Wed May 12, 2010 6:28 pm
I can't believe it - just reread the original post and find that the census return(1911) states my grandparents had 7 children (5 living).

I find this incredible, my father never mentioned other siblings beyond the ones I knew about. Also his step brother (16 at the time of the census) never mentioned anything. This is a puzzle. Any ideas of how to try and trace these lost infants plse?

This isnt a certain but some deaths of children in the registration area for that time frame are,
from freebmd,
Kings Norton area between 1896-1911

Deaths Sep 1896
Thacker Annie 0 King's N. 6c 255

Deaths Sep 1901
Thacker Frank Wiliam 0 King's N 6c 253

Deaths Mar 1908
THACKER George Henry 0 King's N. 6c 337

I added the 1901 Census for this family too.
Jo

[Northern Lass]

Flagging to archive this

[Teifi]

I think there's nothing more to be wrung out of this one!!!!!!!