*Arc tbc*--Mary Unknown

[Northern Lass]

We have a James Clift b abt 1831 here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =987880001

on the 1871 his mother Mary is with him
can we find James earlier with his mother
marriage is down for a look up to find father
but can we run ahead of that

Mother is 82 in 1871 so b abt 1789 Birmingham

[mallosa]

1851: Whitehall, Halesowen, Worc
Thomas Clift 40 (Could be 60?) Head Spade Maker
Mary Clift 59 Wife Birmingham, Warwickshire
James Clift 20 Son
Mary Clift 20 Dau in Law
George Clift 4 Mo Grd Son
(others born Halesowen)

[mallosa]

1841: Birmingham Street, Halesowen, Shropshire
Thos Clift 50 Spade Maker
Mary Clift 45
Sarah Clift 20
Hannah Clift 15 Button Maker
Ellen Clift 10 Button Maker
James Clift 10 Button Maker
Mary Clift 15 Button Maker
(all born in county)

[Northern Lass]

That works...Ok anyone fancy adding the 1841 census and 1851 pls

we need a marriage too

[Jimmy]

Are these to early. both extracted.

THOMAS CLIFT.
MARY BROOKS.
Marriage, 23 APR 1810. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.

THOMAS CLIFT.
MARY BANGHAM.
Marriage, 23 APR 1810. Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick.

[Annie]

That works...Ok anyone fancy adding the 1841 census and 1851 pls

we need a marriage too

I'll add them Northern Lass.

Annie

[Annie]

Added the 1841/51 census and children, but cant be sure they all belong to Thomas & Mary going by the ages there are two sets of twins Ellen & James b 1831 and Hannah & Mary 1826 , I have searched on Family search and can't find any twins for Thomas & Mary these are what I found:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =647267913


JAMES CLIFT
Christening: 26 AUG 1831 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS CLIFT
Mother: MARY

ELLEN CLIFT
Birth: 11 AUG 1832 Particular Baptist, Cradley, Worcester, England
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM CLIFT
Mother: SARAH

SARAH CLIFFT
Christening: 21 MAR 1819 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS CLIFFT
Mother: MARY

HANNAH CLIFT
Christening: 28 MAR 1824 Halesowen, Worcester, England
parents
Father: THOMAS CLIFT
Mother: MARY

MARY CLIFT
Christening: 07 OCT 1827 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Parents:
Father: GEORGE CLIFT
Mother: MARY

Annie

[Northern Lass]

Ok thanks Annie
I see what you mean
Ellen and Mary may not be kids of Thomas and Mary
others look ok?

maybe we need to add a note I will do that

and thanks for adding