*Archived*-John Tromans b abt 1816 & family

[peterd]

1841 census
John TROMANS 1816
Nanney 1811
Hannah 1835
Timothy 1837
Ann 1839
Alice 1840
PHEOBE WESTWOOD 1831

So is that Timothy that is on the census living near John and Marth?
a son for Johns so sons John and Timothy.
Who is Nanney 1811 is that Ann Westwood?
who is Phoebe a dau ? in which case has Ann westwood been married prev? so maybe not that one on Connections?

wonder if that PHEOBE WESTWOOD 1831 is the phoebe married to george troman 1881 census? could be that holly lot been marrying each other

[peterd]

look what ive found


WESTWOOD Phebe TROMAN George 1853 Dudley, St Thomas


so what the relationship between ann westwood and phobe

mother and daughter out of wedlock ?
aunt and niece ?
or sisters ?

are they together in the 51 census ?

[peterd]

dont know if this means anything but neighbours for john and matha

all 1881
one side of 34

35 Hawe Lane, Rowley Regis, Stafford, England


Timothy TROMAN 43 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Jews Harp Maker
Eliza TROMAN 44 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
Joseph TROMAN 21 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Jews Harp Maker
Hannah TROMAN 18 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Dressmaker
William TROMAN 16 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Jews Harp Maker
John TROMAN 11 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Eliza TROMAN 9 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Alice TROMAN 6 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Thomas TROMAN 5 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar



36 Hawe Lane, Rowley Regis, Stafford


Joseph RUSTON 42 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Drain Pipe Setter At Pottery
Martha RUSTON 39 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
William RUSTON 18 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Pipe Burner At Pottery
Ann RUSTON 16 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
Joseph RUSTON 14 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Labourer At Pottery
Thomas RUSTON 12 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
James RUSTON 10 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Alfred RUSTON 8 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
John RUSTON 6 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Matilda RUSTON 3 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Samuel RUSTON 1 Rowley Regis, Stafford,


and finally

37 Hawe Lane, Rowley Regis, Stafford

William TROMAN 41 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Stone Squarer (Quarry)
Nancy TROMAN 41 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
James UNDERWOOD Lodger 38 Northampton, Labourer At Stone Quarry



the other side of 34


32 Hawe Lane, Rowley Regis, Stafford


George TROMAN 56 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Jews Harp Maker
Phoebe TROMAN 49 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Benjamin TROMAN 26 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Jews Harp Maker
Alice TROMAN 21 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
John TROMAN 19 Rowley Regis, Stafford, E Jews Harp Maker
George TROMAN 14 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Jews Harp Maker
Thomas TROMAN 13 Rowley Regis, Stafford,Jews Harp Maker
Ann TROMAN Da 10 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Pheobe TROMAN 8 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
David TROMAN 6 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar




house 34 and 32 heads both jews harp makers wonder if these tromans are family with martha maybe sister?

sofar then timothy is john 1816 son and george is john brother

george marrys phoebe westwood who is related ? to john wife ann westwood

dont you love these conumdrums

[peterd]

Looks like a connection to me and with Pheobe her sister with her in 1841 census
1841 Census in the same st
Benjamin TROMANS 50 harp maker
Ann 20
Rhoda 15
George 15
James 14
Hannah 12
Mary TROMANS 20
William 1

looks poss william in 1881 cenus same st is john 1816 brother also?

williams poss marriage

TROMANS William DAVIS Nancy 1859 Rowley Regis, St Giles

[Rosegarden]

On BCC the tree with Ann Westwood she has a sister Pheobe b1811

[Northern Lass]

and ? it aint 1831 is it....so we dont know if Phoebe is a sister or dau of Ann Westwood...I am just gonna fill in this lot

so gonna start not linking... we can always join up once we do a look up on Phoebes marriage

I bet it is a dau of Anns deffo think same family

[Rosegarden]

sorry put it down to me age
have you seen 1851 cesus?
John TROMANS 35 jews harp maker
Ann TROMANS 41
Alice 11
Ann 12
Hannah 16
Joseph 9
Martha 4
Mary 7
Timothy 14
WILLIAM WESTWOOD son in law 21
PHEBE WESTWOOD daughter in law?19
cant work that one out

[Northern Lass]

Only jokin RG you know me...

[Northern Lass]

Ok put it all on BCConnections here..

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =280082240

We need the marriage of William and Eliza unknown.

I think William is the son of Mary dau of Benjamin.

I think that William Westwood is the son of Ann Unknown(Westwood) wife of John TRomans.
I think that Phoebe is too.
i wonder if Ann Unknown (maybe Westwood) that is her married name so she married a Westwood and had 2 kids Phoebe and William.
However that on already on Connections fits nicely with a sister called Phoebe and dob abt 1809.

Need marriage of Phoebe and George checked.See who father is.
then can get a marriage for an Ann and a Westwood.

Wot u all think?

[peterd]

could this be williams parents late christenings?

WILLIAM WESTWOOD
Christening: 29 NOV 1835 Halesowen, Worcester, England

JAMES WESTWOOD
ANN HIPKISS


Phoebe Westwood
Christening: 09 SEP 1838 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England

James Westwood
Ann Westwood

or are there ages wrong on the census?

[Northern Lass]

that looks really good Peterd any marriage coming up?

[peterd]

who william with in 1841 census as not with ann that might give a clue granparents?

[Northern Lass]

07 JUN 1829 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Benjamin Westwood and
Nancy Cooper!!
She is referred to as nancy too

1841 census
John TROMANS 1816
Nanney ???1811
Hannah 1835
Timothy 1837
Ann 1839
Alice 1840
PHEOBE WESTWOOD 1831

[peterd]

just in ann would be 18

JAMES WESTWOOD
ANN HIPKISS
Marriage: 27 APR 1828 Halesowen, Worcester,


need to find william in 1841 census born c1830

[Northern Lass]

Got him!! it is Cooper back in a min

Ok hard to read. on the oppo page to his mother!

So Benjamin Cooper 1841 census age 60 and Hannah age 60 living RRegis Club buildings some kids
Living next door to Benjamin Tromans father of John

kids
Benjamin 35
William 25?
Thomas 20