Green - William (husband of Kate) & son Howard & Caroline

[mallosa]

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Could I have another pair of eyes on this one?

Is the title correct cos I'm not sure I have added correctly

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =361288152

[grangers14]

I can't read it so well...can Peter see more?


In loving Memory of Howard Dearly loved son of William and Kate Green...

[gardener]

I can't read it either but don't understand how Howard can be the son of William and Kate when he was the son of William and Caroline.

I did discover that he sang well

DEATH OF LOCAL. VOCALIST.—The funeral took place at the Halesowen Cemetery on Thursday afternoon of the late Mr. Howard Green. the 22. years-old son of Mr. and Mrs. William Green. of I,odgeficld Road, Hale, oikcii. The deceased was a highly respected member of the thirsty Hill Primitive Methodist Church. where he had been a leading singer In the choir for a considerable time. He possessed a fine voice, and was a member of the Coombe Wood Male Voice Choir since its inauguration. He was also a member of the Blackheath and District ' Amateur Operatic Society. A service ...

Published: Thursday 09 October 1924
Newspaper: Dudley Chronicle

(Gorsty Hill is it?)

[mallosa]

Thanks gardener

I've added that information here - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =589509007

I've sent a pm to Peter'd to see if he can help

[mallosa]

Pete said, Kate may be a pen name? she will be the right age for William's wife unless he married twice ?

I think that's plausible so I've added in the notes

[gardener]

Pete said, Kate may be a pen name? she will be the right age for William's wife unless he married twice ?

I think that's plausible so I've added in the notes

Sounds reasonable.
Was there also a son James?

GREEN, JAMES HOWARD
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06B Page 1871

The 1939 entry has William and Caroline, and next door is James born 16 Jan 1915, and Mary born 16 June 1910

Then I did a search to see if there were more kids, and found these:

GREEN, SYDNEY HOWARD
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 5

GREEN, LEONARD HOWARD
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 6

who seem to belong to:

1911
George Green 35
Rebecca Green 38
Samuel Green 16
Frank Green 13
Sydney Green 9
Leonard Green 9/12
John Pendress 41 (he is a boarder, but in 1901 he is with them as an uncle)

so I' wondered if that is Caroline's sister Rebecca https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=562163
married to Howard's brother George https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=562163

1894 marriage
GREEN George HOWARD Rebecca Rowley Regis, St Giles Sandwell Register Office 18/8/313

It would need the marriage checking I suppose

[gardener]

And I think John Pendress may give a clue to Fanny Harris https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=562163

John could be this one

1891
Dinah Pendress 57 Head
John Pendress 21 Son
Ellen Pendress 15 Daughter

and in 1861

John Pendries 36
Dinah Pendries 27
Fanny Pendries 3
Emma Pendries 1

but with the marriage
HARRIS Diana PENDRIS John 1858 Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/002/228

and no father on the marriage certificate for Fanny Harris, perhaps Fanny Harris was Dinah's daughter? So Fanny was half-sister to John, making him uncle to George Green who married Rebecca (I think).

WestMid BMD has this birth

HARRIS Fanny 1857 Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/015/48

and no maiden name is given

HARRIS, FANNY -
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 153

so I think it likely that she is the right Fanny.

(If you want, I could edit the census info so that it has place of birth etc too - just too tired now)

[kdwoodie]

Freereg
Rowley Regis
St Giles
Parish Register
Register entry number 313
Marriage date 01 Apr 1894
George GREEN 18 bachelor Labourer Rowley Regis William GREEN Miner
Rebecca HOWARD 21 spinster Ross Rowley Regis William HOWARD Labourer
Witness1 George ROSE
Witness2 Mary Ann WORTON

Dudley
St Andrew (Netherton)
Unspecified
Marriage date 23 Aug 1858
John PENDRIS Full age Netherton bachelor Labourer John PENDRIS Labourer
Diana HARRIS Full age Netherton spinster Tobbit HARRIS Nailer
Witness1 Richard ANCUTT
Witness2 Jemima JOHNSON

Diana Harris here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=562172 ?

1861 Gorsty Hill Rowley Regis
John Pendries Head Mar 36 Waggoner Born Bromsgrove
Dinah Pendries Wife Mar 27 Nail Maker Born Halesowen
Fanny Pendries Daur 3 Born Halesowen
Emma Pendries Daur 1 Born Rowley Regis

1871 Gorsty Hill Rowley Regis
John Pendxess 50 Head Mar Lab Born Worcs NK
Dinah Pendxess 37 Wife Mar Nail Maker Born Worcs NK
Fanny Pendxess 13 Daughter Nail Maker Born Worcs NK
Sarah Pendxess 8 Daughter Born Rowley Regis
Joseph Pendxess 6 Son Born Rowley Regis
Simson Pendxess 4 Son Born Rowley Regis
John Pendxess 1 Son Born Rowley Regis

Name: John Pendress
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: Dudley, Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1881
Inferred Death Place: Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 6c
Page: 3

1881 44 Gosty Hill Rowley Regis
Dinah Pendress Head W 45 Born Halesowen
Joseph Pendress Son Unm 17 Labourer in Tube Works Born Rowley Regis
Simeon Pendress Son Unm 15 Labourer in Tube Works Born Rowley Regis
John Pendress Son 13 Scholar Born Rowley Regis
Ellen Pendress Daur 6 Scholar Born Rowley Regis

1891 Brook Road Rowley Regis
Dinah Pendress 57 Head Wid Born Halesowen
John Pendress 21 Son S Caster Born Halesowen
Ellen Pendress 15 Daughter S Gun Barrel Borer Born Halesowen

Name: Dinah Harris
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 12 Mar 1837
Baptism Place: Halesowen,Worcester,England
Father:
Tobit Harris
Mother:
Sarah
FHL Film Number: 886635, 886636, 886638

Name: Dinah Pendress
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place: Stourbridge, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Dec 1900
Inferred Death Place: Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Volume: 6c
Page: 83

PENDRAS, EMMA HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 13

PENDRESS, SARAH HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 4

PENDRESS, JOSEPH HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 7

PENDRESS, SIMEON HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 9

PENDRESS, JOHN HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 7

PENDRY, ELLEN HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 15

[gardener]

Freereg
Rowley Regis
St Giles
Parish Register
Register entry number 313
Marriage date 01 Apr 1894
George GREEN 18 bachelor Labourer Rowley Regis William GREEN Miner
Rebecca HOWARD 21 spinster Ross Rowley Regis William HOWARD Labourer
Witness1 George ROSE
Witness2 Mary Ann WORTON

Thanks! That looks good to me, and also the connection with Fanny.
Not sure about James
GREEN, JAMES HOWARD
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06B Page 1871

I suppose he could belong to either couple, and be living next door to either his parents or aunt and uncle.

This is probably his marriage - if anyone wants to chase up his father

GREEN James FOSTER Mary 1936 Coseley, Christ Church Dudley Register Office 208/013/20

[peterd]

Freereg
Rowley Regis
St Giles
Parish Register
Register entry number 313
Marriage date 01 Apr 1894
George GREEN 18 bachelor Labourer Rowley Regis William GREEN Miner
Rebecca HOWARD 21 spinster Ross Rowley Regis William HOWARD Labourer
Witness1 George ROSE
Witness2 Mary Ann WORTON

Thanks! That looks good to me, and also the connection with Fanny.
Not sure about James
GREEN, JAMES HOWARD
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06B Page 1871

I suppose he could belong to either couple, and be living next door to either his parents or aunt and uncle.

This is probably his marriage - if anyone wants to chase up his father

GREEN James FOSTER Mary 1936 Coseley, Christ Church Dudley Register Office 208/013/20

where james howard green on the 1939 registry?

[kdwoodie]

The 1939 entry has William and Caroline, and next door is James born 16 Jan 1915, and Mary born 16 June 1910

Mafeking Villas Lodgefield Rd
William Green M 6 Dec 1879 M Tube Packer Steel Tube Works
Caroline Green F 23 Jul 1879 M Unpaid Domestic Duties
James Green M 16 Jan 1915 M Iron Moulder Steel Tube Works
Mary Green F 16 June 1910 M Unpaid Domestic Duties
1 record closed

[mallosa]

Phew! I've added what I can here - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =454768843

but I'm afraid I won't have time to add all of the information, can someone help me out cos I've still got loads of St John, Halesowen gravestones to linkup

[kdwoodie]

Think i have added everything Mally.

Dinah here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =233734131

[mallosa]

Thanks Kaye, really appreciated

Can be archived now please