James Bate wife Mary unknown and kids...Query

[Northern Lass]

Oh well done kdw
so do you think we can put in Westwood as Mother for Ann Maria and Elizabeth?

and connect up Arthur as William for moment??


How about we go with this is at least the correct marriage for Arthur Bate with father James here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =240602733

the wits are his sibs so that checks out...

shall I add that in for that arthur?

[kdwoodie]

Yes, it's giving me a headache.

[Northern Lass]

I can only find these for an arthur and they dont feel rite
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BATES, ARTHUR WESTWOOD
GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in OF THE LICHFIELD UNION Volume 17 Page 75
BATES, HARRY WESTWOOD
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in LICHFIELD UNION Volume 17 Page 73

[Northern Lass]

That death in 1908 would be interesting to see who signs it and where he died

any burial info?

[Northern Lass]

Value
County Staffordshire
Place (Links to more information) Amblecote
Church name (Links to more information) Holy Trinity
Register type (Links to more information) Other Transcript
Register entry number 187
Burial date 22 Apr 1908
Burial person forename Arthur Hinsy Crease
Burial person surname BATE
Person age 63
Burial person abode 1, Brettell Lane

[Northern Lass]

It has to be him!

1911 1 Brettell Lane, Brierley Hill
Mary Bates Head 64 Widow Furniture Dealer Born Stambermill (Married 4? Years 9 Children 5 Living 4 Died Blanked out )
James Bates Son 26 Single Furniture Assistant Born Delph
Elizabeth Pearson Servant 15 Born Brettle Lane
Henry Pearson Lodger 45 Married Bricklayer Born Thorns
Ann Maria Pearson Wife 35 Married Born Lye (Married 17 Years 9 Children 8 Living 1 Died)
William H Pearsons Son16 Single Chain Horse Lad Born Brettle Lane
May Pearson Duaghter 13 Born Brettle Lane
Maud Pearson Daughter 12 School Born Brettle Lane
Alia Pearson Daughter 10 School Born Brettle Lane
George Pearson Son 4 Born Brettle Lane
Arthur W Pearson Son 5 Born Brettle Lane
Gertrude Pearson Daughter 2 Born Brettle Lane
David Gill Lodger 66 Married Labourer Born Lye
Mary Gill Lodger 64 Married Born Delph (Married 45 Years 5 Children 1 Living 4 Died)
Arthur Gill Lodger 22 Single Labourer Born Delph
note Pearson on Ancestry down trans. as Praison

[Northern Lass]

But why go from Arthur to Arthur Henry Creese to William?

[kdwoodie]

BATE, ARTHUR HENRY CREESE 63
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 86

That puts his birth abt 1845, but i can't see anything

[kdwoodie]

I have no idea, this family is a nightmare.

It all fits for Arthur being William.

[kdwoodie]

Quarry Bank
Christ Church
Parish Register
Register entry number 59
Birth date 29 Dec 1844
Baptism date 06 Jun 1847
Person forename Arthur
Person sex M
Father forename James
Mother forename Mary
Father surname BATE
Person abode The Thorns
Father occupation Brick Maker

Quarry Bank
Christ Church
Parish Register
Register entry number 60
Birth date 18 May 1847
Baptism date 06 Jun 1847
Person forename Ann Maria
Person sex F
Father forename James
Mother forename Mary
Father surname BATE
Person abode The Bower
Father occupation Brick Maker

[kdwoodie]

I think this is Mary Anns father https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=542833

WESTWOOD, MARY WEBB
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 553

[Northern Lass]

Ok connected up Wm as Arthur
and Mary Westwood as dau of Isaac

I cant find a birth for Arthur will put in some of the births if they look like a westwood for the kids
but think only found 1

[kdwoodie]

Would mother be Bennett?

[Northern Lass]

Would mother be Bennett?

Arthurs mother?

yes I think so put that in as a poss why wot u found
poss mar tbc
Worcestershire Oldswinford St Mary
Marriage date 30 Jun 1833
James BATE - bachelor
Mary BENNETT- spinster
Witness1 William BATE
Witness2 Milberry? BATE
Notes Bride, witness 2 sign x

[kdwoodie]

West Mids BMD
BATE (boy) 1844 Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/020/260