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Re: Payton family connections

Postby kdwoodie » Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:01 am

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Re: Payton family connections

Postby Frodo » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:27 pm

With reference to the note and entry on Bcc the first marriage needs to be removed. Elizabeth was definitely a spinster when she married Thomas Knight Reynolds. John Hay (1837) was born out of wedlock. My cousin wondered if John could be called a stepson if there is definitely no evidence re the father.If you look at the marriage record Thomas is a bachelor and Elizabeth a spinster. If Thomas is the father it seems strange waiting four years to get married. It also means Elizabeth left John in Rochford (it is known by the family that he was brought up initially by Elizabeth's parents) either to find work or to save face. There is no mention of her profession on the marriage entry. My cousin has asked whether there is any information about Blucher Street and Holt Street at that time or any photos she can source on the Internet. I have looked in my Birmingham A-Z and can see they are fairly central but as a non resident can't help.
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby kdwoodie » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:46 pm

I have changed the marriage to Not Married. There is a note added to John to say his father could be Thomas Knight Reynolds.

I have no idea about the Streets.

I have connected up Charlotte here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =710443718
It has taken me all day to sort the families out and connect up on BCC

By the way the Mary Shuker who married Cyril is the sister of Clara Eveline who married William Knowles. William is related to me, his Grandfather is also my G G Grandfather.
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby Frodo » Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:40 pm

For information all Isabel Payton's siblings are deceased and as far as my cousin knows all the nephews are also deceased.

Extra information on Herbert Walter Payton's siblings(some of the information already on Bcc):

Evangeline Randle Payton b. 23rd April 1862, d. 27th May 1862

Frederick Charles Davies Payton b. 4th May 1863
d. 27th March 1911
Married Frances Payton b. 1865 (?I have just checked hints on Ancestry which are showing Fanny Louisa, no surname other than Payton, may need checking). Two children:
Elsie Payton b. 1895 d. 1918 (flu epidemic)
Dorothy Payton b. 1896. Married Albert Beaumont. Ancestry has her death as 12th February 1961 and with a middle name of May. Of note she founded the Dodford Nursery Children's Holiday Home near Bromsgrove which I have looked up and is still a Nursery and mentions her on the history page.

Albert John Davies Payton b.22nd July 1865
d.22nd May 1942. Emigrated to Philadelphia,PA in August 1886. Married Bertha Taschner b. 1869 in Germany but lived in America from the age of two. Two children:
1. Clifford Albert Payton b. 12 June 1891
d. 22nd January 1949. Married Madeline Katherine Bangert (b. 4th December 1890, d. 31st October 1964 ). They had two children: Clifford Albert Payton b.22nd December 1915 d. 15th April 1971, married Hope Hunter on 22nd May 1943 and had 2 children: Gwen Payton (b. 2nd July 1945) and Warren Payton (b. 17th May 1951)
2. Florence Mae Payton b. 1899 married George Earnest Smith(b1885). Had one daughter Wilma Doris Smith (b. 1923) m. David Ramsden (b.1923)

Alice Jane Davies Payton b. 7th November 1867 Stourbridge
d. 24th March 1960 in Dublin, Bladon, North Carolina,USA. Married William George Newbold Sr (b.1862, d.1939) in 1887 in Philadelphia,PA. Three children:
1.Frank Emerson Newbold (b.24th September 1888 Philadelphia, d. 20th January 1960. Frank married Anna Charlotte Fiedler (b. 3rd January 1891d.1st July 1975(both Philadelphia), had 2 children: Dorothy Elizabeth (b.16 July 1917 d. 12th May 1999 both Philadelphia) and Frank Emerson Jr (b.1918, d. 1992)
2. Catherine Lillian (b. 3rd November 1889 Philadelphia, d. 2nd July 1971 in Goldsboro, Wayne, NC). Married Ben Roberts
3. William Henry (b. 1895) married Dora.

Sarah Maria Davies Payton b. 24th November 1869 on Cecil
Street, Stourbridge
d. 10th June 1936 in Philadelphia. Married William Piercy. Three children:
Winfield Edwin Brant Piercy(1895-1970)
William Payton Piercy (1903-1946)
Grace Piercy

Kate Sophia Davies Payton b. 11th March 1871 at Brettell Lane
d. 4th January 1963 in Philadelphia. Married Washington Lafayette Hall (b.1869)

Harry Randle Payton b. 7th April 1873 Stourbridge
d. 22nd May 1966 in Philadelphia. Married Elinore Pickup (b.1874,d1937). Four daughters:
Ruth Walton Payton (b.6th May 1902 Philadelphia, d. 9th February 1993 in Palm Beach, Florida married Howard Austin Dewey (b.30th June 1897,d.18th February 1971 in Hillsborough, Florida)
Helen Davis Payton (b.21st June 1903, d. 5th June 1988) married 1. William Roach, 2. George Koberstein (d.20th May 1965)
Edith Alice Payton (b. 12th September 1904, d.1992) married Dan Archibald Sr (1901-1975) lived in New Jersey.
Esther Payton (b. 9 May 1906/7) married Roy Beck (b. 14th February 1901 d. 8th October 1967)

Gertrude Randall Payton b. 29th March 1875 at Kingswinford
d. 12th April 1964 in Philadelphia, PA married Frederick Reedy. No children.

William Henry Davies Payton b.1879, d. December 1879.

Archibald Horace Davies Payton b. 3rd December 1881 Stourbridge
d. 20th November 1944 in Philadelphia, PA. Married Jesse C Richards (b.24th April 1881 in Philadelphia, d. 1972 in Camden, New Jersey. Two children: Archibald Horace (b.1906), Adelaide (b.16th June 1913 in Philadelphia d. April 1961 in New Jersey.
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby Frodo » Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:45 pm

Thanks for the entries. It's a small world, I will let my cousin know of the connection you have.
I have just posted a lot more information on the Payton side and if I check what I have been sent there is still more. There is no rush adding to Bcc, would just be appreciated if it could show up eventually. It has taken me some time to transcribe the information I've been sent and likewise for my cousin to send it. All much appreciated.
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby Frodo » Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:19 pm

Re John Hay. My cousin would prefer to have no mention of Thomas Knight Reynolds being the possible father as she is sure he isn't. The information on Elizabeth's entry reads alright, it's the sentence on John and Thomas's pages about 'probable father's that's the problem.
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby kdwoodie » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:59 pm

I have removed thenote for John Hay.

Started to Add info for Herberts siblings but is taking ages to research info for each one.

I will add what i am allowed to on BCC but it will take time.
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby Frodo » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:11 pm

Thanks for the change and the additions you are making. I have already explained to my cousin how the entries are checked and how few people there are making additions so no need to rush. I have more information on Isabel's relatives but I will leave sending anything until another time if you let me know when extra additions possible. I come from a family of historians so know how hard it is.
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby Northern Lass » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:34 am

Probably best to start a new thread Frodo for each one that needs adding
and as you are aware not many people adding to Bcc so thank you Kdw for your help there.
The thread gets too long and complicated if you try and add lots of ancestors so new thread for each one please.

Kdw I will stick this for you and if you could put completed on when done I can archive
and Frodo can start new threads for each ancestor.
Then if anyone can check the info and add all will be good :wink:
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby Frodo » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:23 am

Thank you. My cousin looked yesterday and appreciates the work and the fact that more of her family on Bcc. In doing so she noticed a typo. Charles Beaumont has his surname misspelt as Beaumont if this could be changed please.
I have more information embedded in emails including about the Hay and Allen families but I will wait a while and feed it individually as requested.
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby kdwoodie » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:14 am

Still have these to add.


Alice Jane Davies Payton b. 7th November 1867 Stourbridge
d. 24th March 1960 in Dublin, Bladon, North Carolina,USA. Married William George Newbold Sr (b.1862, d.1939) in 1887 in Philadelphia,PA. Three children:
1.Frank Emerson Newbold (b.24th September 1888 Philadelphia, d. 20th January 1960. Frank married Anna Charlotte Fiedler (b. 3rd January 1891d.1st July 1975(both Philadelphia), had 2 children: Dorothy Elizabeth (b.16 July 1917 d. 12th May 1999 both Philadelphia) and Frank Emerson Jr (b.1918, d. 1992)
2. Catherine Lillian (b. 3rd November 1889 Philadelphia, d. 2nd July 1971 in Goldsboro, Wayne, NC). Married Ben Roberts
3. William Henry (b. 1895) married Dora.

Sarah Maria Davies Payton b. 24th November 1869 on Cecil
Street, Stourbridge
d. 10th June 1936 in Philadelphia. Married William Piercy. Three children:
Winfield Edwin Brant Piercy(1895-1970)
William Payton Piercy (1903-1946)
Grace Piercy

Kate Sophia Davies Payton b. 11th March 1871 at Brettell Lane
d. 4th January 1963 in Philadelphia. Married Washington Lafayette Hall (b.1869)

Harry Randle Payton b. 7th April 1873 Stourbridge
d. 22nd May 1966 in Philadelphia. Married Elinore Pickup (b.1874,d1937). Four daughters:
Ruth Walton Payton (b.6th May 1902 Philadelphia, d. 9th February 1993 in Palm Beach, Florida married Howard Austin Dewey (b.30th June 1897,d.18th February 1971 in Hillsborough, Florida)
Helen Davis Payton (b.21st June 1903, d. 5th June 1988) married 1. William Roach, 2. George Koberstein (d.20th May 1965)
Edith Alice Payton (b. 12th September 1904, d.1992) married Dan Archibald Sr (1901-1975) lived in New Jersey.
Esther Payton (b. 9 May 1906/7) married Roy Beck (b. 14th February 1901 d. 8th October 1967)

Gertrude Randall Payton b. 29th March 1875 at Kingswinford
d. 12th April 1964 in Philadelphia, PA married Frederick Reedy. No children.

William Henry Davies Payton b.1879, d. December 1879.

Archibald Horace Davies Payton b. 3rd December 1881 Stourbridge
d. 20th November 1944 in Philadelphia, PA. Married Jesse C Richards (b.24th April 1881 in Philadelphia, d. 1972 in Camden, New Jersey. Two children: Archibald Horace (b.1906), Adelaide (b.16th June 1913 in Philadelphia d. April 1961 in New Jersey
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby Frodo » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:45 pm

No problem. I will let my cousin know.
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COMPLETED Re: Payton family connections

Postby kdwoodie » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:59 pm

Everything added. https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =684567175

Please try and add more detail for people if you can, i have not got the time to do research on each person to add to BCC.
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby Frodo » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:25 pm

Thanks. I will get my cousin to look and will look more closely myself over the next few days. I am pretty sure I have more details from information sent and also from Ancestry. I have used evidence before adding to the tree so hopefully all should be accurate.
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Re: Payton family connections

Postby Northern Lass » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:31 am

If this part is now completed I will move to archive.
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