Perry Mix up--Mumbles sorting

[kdwoodie]

Yes mumbles, do you agree that parents of William are John and Esther Braznell, therefore they are not the parents of Harden and Mary

[mumbles]

Henry Perry shown with John Perry and Esther in 1841 aged 15

marriage 13/2/1851 Bromsgrove Worcs.
Henry Perry father John Perry
Maria Jones Jane Cook father Samuel Cooke

Born 30/8/1827 Baptism 16/3/1928 Carrs Lane Independent Birmingham Warks.
Maria Jane Jones Cooke father Samuel Cooke mother Maria Jones

[kdwoodie]

There is also this Marriage for John and Hester

Staffordshire
Wolverhampton
St Peter
Marriage date 19 Jan 1818
Groom forename John
Groom surname PERRY
Bride forename Esther
Bride surname RILEY
Witness1 Richard PERRY
Witness2 Samuel HANCHER

Could these be the parents of Harden ?

Baptisms for children
Brierley Hill
St Michael
Register entry number 1113
Baptism date 24 May 1818
Person forename John
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Hester
Father surname PERRY
Person abode The Delp
Father occupation Collier

Brierley Hill
St Michael
Register entry number 2134
Baptism date 23 Jun 1822
Person forename Mary
Person sex F
Father forename John
Mother forename Hester
Father surname PERRY
Person abode Amblecote

Brierley Hill
St Michael
Register entry number 877
Baptism date 30 Apr 1826
Person forename Harden
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Hester
Father surname PERRY
Person abode Stump Stile
Father occupation Miner

[mumbles]

Kdw noted Yes mumbles, do you agree that parents of William are John and Esther Braznell, therefore they are not the parents of Harden and Mary

I have added John Perry and Esther Braznell as parents of Harden and Mary Perry and added in Holt details.

I have not followed why you think William Perry is son of John and Esther Braznell and not Harden and Mary Perry ? from their marriage records John Perry is a miner as he was on 1841 Census

[kdwoodie]

There are 3 John and Esthers

Halesowen
St John the Baptist
Register entry number 104
Marriage date 4 Jun 1805
John PERRY Otp Bachelor
Bride forename Esther WOOLBRIDGE Unk Spinster
Witness 1 Joseph ROUND
Witness 2 Richard FIDDIAN

Dudley
St Thomas
Register entry number 245
Marriage date 25 Dec 1809
John PERRY Dudley Bachelor
Esthor BRAZNELL Dudley Spinster
Witness 1 Ann PERRY
Witness 2 Mark BOND
Notes Banns. Mark Bond Was The Clerk

Staffordshire
Wolverhampton
St Peter
Marriage date 19 Jan 1818
Groom forename John
Groom surname PERRY
Bride forename Esther
Bride surname RILEY
Witness1 Richard PERRY
Witness2 Samuel HANCHER

John 1786 Kingswinford
It seems more likely to me that the couple who married in Wolverhampton would be from Kingswinford as they are living in that area on census and childrens baptisms are closer to marriage date. ie John and Esther Finley . Baptisms of children in earlier post.

John 1781 Lye
John and Esther in Lye i believe are John and Esther Woolbridge their marriage in 1805 is more likely.
William born 1807 i think we have proved is the father of Henry with John in 1851
John 1814 Francis 1814 Elijah 1817 and Henry 1825 are all living near each other in census.

Could it be Esther Woolbridge should be Esther Woolridge
Name:
Esther Woolridge
Sex:
Female
Christening Date:
9 Dec 1781
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England
Father's Name:
Francis Woolridge
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Jane
Mother's Sex:
Female

There are these baptisms which could possibly be the children of John and Esther Woolbridge

Oldswinford
St Mary
Baptism date 24 Jul 1803
Person forename William
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Esther
Father surname PERRY
Worcestershire

Oldswinford
St Mary
Parish Register
Burial date 30 Aug 1805
Burial person forename William
Burial person surname PERRY
Person age 2

Worcestershire
Oldswinford
St Mary
Baptism date 24 Jul 1803
Person forename Jane
Person sex F
Father forename John
Mother forename Esther
Father surname PERRY
Oldswinford
St Mary
Register entry number 596
Marriage date 31 May 1819
John PEARSON bachelor
Jane PERRY spinster
Witness 1 Thos. HOLLIS
Witness 2 Sarah COWELL

I am now unsure about John and Esther Braznell i thought were the parents of above but they didn't marry until 1809 and no idea if these below are them

1841 Pinfold Street Darlaston
John Perry 60 Maltster
Esther Perry 65
John Perry 30 Maltster
All born in County

I have just found this and am even more confused now
1851 Dock Lane Lye
Esther Perrey Head Wid 74
John Walters Lodger Unm 47 Shoemaker
Both born Lye

Wolverhampton
St Peter
Parish Register
Marriage date 17 Mar 1833
Groom forename John
Groom surname PERRY
Groom condition Widower
Bride forename Esther
Bride surname WALTERS
Bride condition Widow
Witness1 Thomas INSTON
Witness2 John BIDDULPH

[Jimmy]

Children of John Perry, nailer.

Oldswinford St Mary.
Baptism date 27 Mar 1814.
Francis PERRY.
Father John PERRY. Nailer.
Mother Esther.
Person abode Waste.

Oldswinford St Mary.
Baptism date 27 Mar 1814.
John PERRY. Notes Twin of Francis.
Person sex M
Father John PERRY. Nailer.
Mother Esther.
Person abode Waste.

Oldswinford St Mary.
Baptism date 25 May 1817.
Elijah PERRY.
Father John PERRY. Nailer.
Mother Esther.
Person abode Parish.

Oldswinford St Mary.
Baptism date 12 Jun 1825.
Henry PERRY.
Father John PERRY. Nailer.
Mother Esther.
Person abode Waste.

[mumbles]

Thanks Jimmy that helps but I think Kdw should check after I add
This also might help :-

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =366562117

1841 Census Lye Old Swinford Stourbridge Worcs.
Thomas Bolton 40 Nailer
Maria Bolton 40
Mary Bolton 15
James Bolton 8
All born in County

Thomas Bolton dau Betsy Bolton married a Benjamin Kendrick and their daughter Lucy Kendrick married Eli Perry son of John Perry and Sarah Anne Chance

[mumbles]

In 1841 Thomas Bolton was living next door to William Perry and Elijah Perry

[kdwoodie]

I have that family mumbles .

The Family added by Maggie here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=527368

Need to be merged with the family here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=527368

It has already been established that William 1807 is the son of John and Esther in Lye

Oldswinford
St Mary
Baptism date 12 Apr 1807
Person forename William
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Esther
Father surname PERRY

This is the family of William 1807 but he has the wrong wife, (see my previous post) https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=527188

[Jimmy]

1841. Lye, Worcestershire.
William Perry 35. Nail factor.
Mary Perry 35.
John Perry 11.
William Perry 10.
Maria Perry 8.
James Perry 7.
Henry Perry 5.
Joseph Perry 3.
Mary Perry 1.
All born in county.


PERRY, JOSEPH WALTERS.
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 440.

PERRY, MARY WALTERS.
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 485.

Ancestry, image available,

William Perry. Bachelor.
Mary Walters. Spinster.
Marriage Date: 27 May 1829.
Marriage Place: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire.

[Jimmy]

PERRY, MARIA WALTERS.
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 422.

died,
PERRY, MARIA age 0.
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 296.

[kdwoodie]

I have alraedy posted the information Jimmy

The family of William Perry here https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=527188 i think has the wrong parents they should be William and Mary Walters.

1851 Census Church Row Lye Stourbridge Worcs.
John Perry Head 68 (wid) Nail Factor
Henry Perry grd.son 14 Scholar
All born Lye Worcs.

William Perry and Mary
1841. Lye, Worcestershire.
William Perry 35. Nail factor.
Mary Perry 35.
John Perry 11.
William Perry 10.
Maria Perry 8.
James Perry 7.
Henry Perry 5.
Joseph Perry 3.
Mary Perry 1.
All born in county.

1851. Turnpike Rd, Lye.
William Perry 46. Nail factor.
Mary Perry 49.
John Perry 21. Son.
William Perry 20. Son. Assistant.
Maria Perry 18. Dau.
Joseph Perry 12. Son.
Mary Perry 10. Dau.
Maria Perry 10. niece
All born Lye.

1861 The Vine Inn Halesowen Road Lye
William Perry Head Mar 57 Nail Manufacturer
Mary Perry Wife Mar 59
Henry Perry Son Unm 24 Nail Manufacturer
Joseph Perry Son Unm 22 Nail Manufacturer
Mary Perry Daur Unm 20
Ann M Perry Niece Unm 20 House Servant Born Caledonia
Others born Lye

Oldswinford
St Mary
Baptism date 12 Apr 1807
Person forename William
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Esther
Father surname PERRY

Name: Mary Walters
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 27 May 1829
Marriage Place: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew
Spouse: William Perry

Baptisms for John and Marys children

Name:
John Perry
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
6 Sep 1829
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

William Perry
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
27 Feb 1831
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

Name:
Maria Perry
Sex:
Female
Christening Date:
21 Oct 1832
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

Name:
James Perry
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
5 Apr 1834
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

Name:
Henry Perry
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
12 Jun 1836
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

Name:
Joseph Perry
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
1 Apr 1838
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

PERRY, JOSEPH WALTERS
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 440

PERRY, MARY WALTERS
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 485

Death
Name: William Perry
Registration Year: 1864
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 94

Name: Mary Perry
Birth Date: 1801
Death Date: 21 Jan 1863
Cemetery: St. Mary's Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place: Oldswinford, Metropolitan Borough of Dudley, West Midlands, England
Has Bio?: N
URL:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/209 ... mary-perry

[mumbles]

Kdw noted :-

The Family added by Maggie here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=527368

Need to be merged with the family here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=527368

It has already been established that William 1807 is the son of John and Esther in Lye

Do you wish me to merge Kdw ?

[kdwoodie]

Yes please mumbles , i'm scared of deleting info i shoudn't.

[mumbles]

I will do slowly and carefully tomorrow