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Perry Mix up--Mumbles sorting

Postby mumbles » Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:27 pm

This John Perry

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =175306298

is connected to wrong Esther and children and dates are mixed up as some are children of John Perry a Nailer and some are children of John Perry a Miner . Also Elijah Perry shown as his son is not and his wife Sarah is shown as daughter of Francis Taylor but on marriage is shown as daughter of James Taylor a Nailer .
I can understand how Maggie got wrong as there are a lot of John Perry born in Stourbridge at right time .
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby kdwoodie » Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:02 pm

There are two John Perry and Esther marriages

Halesowen
St John the Baptist
Register entry number 104
Marriage date 4 Jun 1805
John PERRY Otp Bachelor
Bride forename Esther WOOLBRIDGE Unk Spinster
Witness 1 Joseph ROUND
Witness 2 Richard FIDDIAN


Dudley
St Thomas
Register entry number 245
Marriage date 25 Dec 1809
John PERRY Dudley Bachelor
Esthor BRAZNELL Dudley Spinster
Witness 1 Ann PERRY
Witness 2 Mark BOND
Notes Banns. Mark Bond Was The Clerk

I'm confused about Elijah and Sarah Taylor, on BCC it says looked up by rockyfowler with father Felix yet on Freereg it says father James
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby mumbles » Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:04 am

Two weddings showing John Perry as a Miner

31/3/1851 St. Mary Kingswinford
Harden Perrey bach. Blacksmith Dawley Brook father John Perrey Miner
Eliza Hand sp. Dawley Brook father William Hand Butcher
Witnesses Thomas Holt & Mary Holt

12/4/1841 St. Leonard Clent
Thomas Holt bach. Miner Rowlry Regis father Thomas Holt Miner
Mary Perry sp.Rowley Regis father John Perry Miner

I think Harden and Mary Perry are siblings

1841 Census Delph Lane Kingswinford Stourbridge Staffs..
John Perry 55 Miner
Esther Perry 50
Harden Perry 15 Blacksmith
All born in County

1851 Census Delph Kingswinford Stourbridge Staffs.
Esther Perry Head 66 (wid)
Harden Perry son 24 Blacksmith
All born Kingswinford Staffs.

1861 Census Delph Lane Kingswinford Stourbridge Staffs.
Esther Perry Head 75 (wid)
Harden Perry visitor 24 Blacksmith
Eliza Perry wife 34
John Perry son 7 Scholar
William Perry son 6 Scholar
Prudence Perry dau 1
All born Kingswinford Staffs.
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby Jimmy » Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:23 pm

Brierley Hill St Michael.
Baptism date 30 Apr 1826.
Harden PERRY.
Father John PERRY. Miner.
Mother Hester.
Person abode Stump Stile.
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby Jimmy » Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:35 pm

1851. Dawley Brook, Kingswinford. Oldswinford.
Thomas Holt 31. engineer.
Mary Holt 28.
Horden Holt 2.
Esther Holt 7 Mo.
Others born Kingswinford.

HOLT, HARDING PERRY.
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 489.

HOLT, ESTHER PERRY.
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 471.
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby Jimmy » Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:16 pm

1841. Lye, Oldswinford.
John Perry 60. nailer.
Esther Perry 60.
Henry Perry 15.

Oldswinford St Mary.
Baptism date 12 Jun 1825.
Henry PERRY.
Father John PERRY. Nailer.
Mother Esther.
Father surname PERRY
Person abode Waste.
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby Jimmy » Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:41 pm

Strange John Perry is a widow, but Esther did'nt die till December.

Census taken 30 March 1851.

1851. Church Row, Lye.
John Perry 68. widow. nail factor. Lye.
Henry Perry 14. grandson. Lye.

Death,
PERRY, ESTHER age 72.
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 358.

Lye Christ Church.
Burial date 21 Dec 1851.
Esther PERRY. 72. The Dock.
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby mumbles » Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:49 pm

So we have two John Perry
This one https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... i=40633182
born estimate 1790 and is a nailer on sons marriage record
He has a son John Perry born 1814 who married Sarah Chance and they have a son Eli Perry

and This John Perry
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =915676980
Shown as married to Esther Woolridge and having various children whose ages does not always tie up with baptism dates or marriage date to Esther Woolridge
They are shown having a son Elijah Perry whose father john is shown as a Nailer

Then we have a further John Perry who married an Esther (not on BCC yet)
who had a son Harden Perry (father is shown as a Miner) and a daughter Mary Perry (who married a Thomas Holt ) Father is shown as a MIner


One of above three John Perry married Esther Woolridge and one married Esther Braznel ( see marriage above) but which marriage is correct ?
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby Jimmy » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:11 pm

It looks to me as the one from Lye / Oldswinford was the nailer.
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby Jimmy » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:15 pm

Oldswinford St Mary.
Baptism 25 May 1817.
Elijah PERRY.
Father John PERRY. Nailer.
Mother Esther.
Person abode Parish.
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby mumbles » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:23 pm

I have added the John Perry the Miner with children Harden and Mary
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =837781500
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby kdwoodie » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:30 pm

I think the John who married Esther Braznell had 4 children i can see
this is what i have
Husband John Perry
Born ABT 1781 Worcestershire
Married 25 Dec 1809 St Thomas Dudley
Other Spouse(s)
Died
Parents

Wife Esther Braznell
Born 1785 Worcestershire
Other Spouse(s)
Died
Parents

Children
1 M
John Perry
Born ABT 1814 Oldswinford Worcestershire
Spouse Sarah Ann Chance
Married 15 Oct 1837 St Johns Halesowen Worcestershire
Died 06 Apr 1896 Lye Worcestershire
2 M
Francis Perry
Born 1814 Lye Worcestershire
Spouse Mary Pearson
Married 26 Feb 1837 St Johns Halesowen
Died 1887 Lye Worcestershire
3 M
Elijah Perry
Born ABT 1817 Lye Worcestershire
Spouse Sarah Taylor
Married 24 Dec 1837 St Thomas Dudley
Died 1870 Stourbridge
4 M
Henry Perry
Born ABT 1825 Lye Worcestershire
Spouse Maria Jones Jane Cook
Married 13 Feb 1851 Bromsgrove
Died 1887 Walsall

I cannot work out who Henry the grandson is in 1851, the only thing i can see is William Perry and family are living next door but 1 to Elijah and family in 1841

William Perry here https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=527178
but to me it doesnt make sense his brother is Josiah(Witness at marriage ) which fits with parents James and Rachel
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby mumbles » Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:22 pm

1841 Census Lye Oldswinford Stourbridge Worcs.
John Perry 60 Nailer
Esther Perry 60 Nailer
Henry Perry 15 Miner
All born in County

1851 Census Church Row Lye Stourbridge Worcs.
John Perry Head 68 (wid) Nail Factor
Henry Perry grd.son 14 Scholar
All born Lye Worcs.
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby kdwoodie » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:00 pm

The family of William Perry here https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=527188 i think has the wrong parents they should be William and Mary Walters.

I know this William is born before John and Esther married but i think he is the son of John and Esther Braznell, Henry in 1851 i believe is the son of William.

1841 Census Lye Oldswinford Stourbridge Worcs.
John Perry 60 Nailer
Esther Perry 60 Nailer
Henry Perry 15 Miner
All born in County

1851 Census Church Row Lye Stourbridge Worcs.
John Perry Head 68 (wid) Nail Factor
Henry Perry grd.son 14 Scholar
All born Lye Worcs.

William Perry and Mary
1841. Lye, Worcestershire.
William Perry 35. Nail factor.
Mary Perry 35.
John Perry 11.
William Perry 10.
Maria Perry 8.
James Perry 7.
Henry Perry 5.
Joseph Perry 3.
Mary Perry 1.
All born in county.

1851. Turnpike Rd, Lye.
William Perry 46. Nail factor.
Mary Perry 49.
John Perry 21. Son.
William Perry 20. Son. Assistant.
Maria Perry 18. Dau.
Joseph Perry 12. Son.
Mary Perry 10. Dau.
Maria Perry 10. niece
All born Lye.

1861 The Vine Inn Halesowen Road Lye
William Perry Head Mar 57 Nail Manufacturer
Mary Perry Wife Mar 59
Henry Perry Son Unm 24 Nail Manufacturer
Joseph Perry Son Unm 22 Nail Manufacturer
Mary Perry Daur Unm 20
Ann M Perry Niece Unm 20 House Servant Born Caledonia
Others born Lye

Oldswinford
St Mary
Baptism date 24 Jul 1803
Person forename William
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Esther
Father surname PERRY

Worcestershire
Oldswinford
St Mary
Parish Register
Burial date 30 Aug 1805
Burial person forename William
Burial person surname PERRY
Person age 2

Oldswinford
St Mary
Baptism date 12 Apr 1807
Person forename William
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Esther
Father surname PERRY

Name: Mary Walters
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 27 May 1829
Marriage Place: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew
Spouse: William Perry

Baptisms for John and Marys children

Name:
John Perry
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
6 Sep 1829
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

William Perry
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
27 Feb 1831
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

Name:
Maria Perry
Sex:
Female
Christening Date:
21 Oct 1832
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

Name:
James Perry
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
5 Apr 1834
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

Name:
Henry Perry
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
12 Jun 1836
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

Name:
Joseph Perry
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
1 Apr 1838
Christening Place:
Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Father's Name:
William Perry
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mary
Mother's Sex:
Female

PERRY, JOSEPH WALTERS
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 440

PERRY, MARY WALTERS
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 485

Name: William Perry
Registration Year: 1864
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Dudley
Parishes for this Registration District: Search for Dudley in the London Times
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 94

Name: Mary Perry
Birth Date: 1801
Death Date: 21 Jan 1863
Cemetery: St. Mary's Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place: Oldswinford, Metropolitan Borough of Dudley, West Midlands, England
Has Bio?: N
URL:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/209 ... mary-perry
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Re: Perry Mix up

Postby mumbles » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:06 pm

Henry Perry shown as grandson in 1851 looks like son of William Perry

marriage 21/10/1869 St. Leonard Clent
Henry Perry bach. Nail Manufacturer Clent father William Perry Nail Manufacturer
Phoebe Louisa Pearson sp Clent father George Pearson Brick Manufacturer
Witnesses :- William Smith, Esther Jane Pearson and George Pearson 3rd witness

This would make William Perry son of John Perry
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