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Interested in hearing from anybody connected to John SOUTHALL & Elizabeth, my 5g grandparents. Elizabeth was born somewhere between 1772 to 1776 according to the 1841 census. Elizabeth, a nailer, was living at Shavers End, Dudley, in 1841.

Known children are:

1. James SOUTHALL (1796-1896), married Sophia, then subsequently married widow Sarah SPICER (1804-?). Sarah had been previously married to Enoch ROUND (1807-1838).
2. Joseph SOUTHALL (1801-?), married Ann JOHNSON.
3. John SOUTHALL (1804-?), married Mary Ann JONES (1811-?) in 1832 at Tipton. My 4g grandparents.
4. Richard SOUTHALL (1809-1877), married Elizabeth CHAMBERS (1811-?) in 1831 at Kingswinford.

Sarah Spicer is here
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... onnections


but we don't have the connection on. which could be this one
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=493168

needs checking as something not quite right on the kids.

So just looking at this

If that Enoch died in 1838.

Free Reg
24 April 1838 St Thomas Dudley Enoch ROUND age 32 abode Netherton Notes Died 22 Apr

ROUND, ENOCH 30 GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 213

Twiglet the poster on BCC has put down an Elijah Round as a son...

ROUND, ELIJAH JAMES
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 275


There is a marriage ... it is for a John not a James. and looks like the son of James Southall and Sophia and living near on 1841
1840
ROUND Sarah SOUTHALL John 1840 Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/001/108


Free reg
30 Mar 1840 St Mary Kingswinford
Groom John SOUTHALL - full age- bachelor- occupation Nailer - abode Pensnett- Groom father James SOUTHALL - occupation Nailer
Bride Sarah ROUND - full age Bride spinster - occupation Nailer - abode Pensnett- Bride father William ROUND Bride father occupation Boatman
Witness1 Richard ROUND
Witness2 Sarah ROUND
Notes The Bride, Groom & both witnesses signed with a X

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =365780844

So a Spicer and James (mothers maiden )
both have a benjamin.



ROUND, BENJAMIN JAMES
GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 183


and


ROUND, BENJAMIN SPICER
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 243

1840
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JAMES Eliza ROUND William 1840 Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/003/285

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=493169

free reg. has the marriage.
10 August St Thomas Dudley
William ROUND of full age bachelor Miner abode Wolverhampton Street,Dudley Groom father John ROUND Groom father occupation Miner (deceased)
Eliza JAMES minor spinster abode Wolverhampton Street,Dudley Bride father Edward JAMES Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness1 John JAMES
Witness2 Elizabeth JACKSON
Notes By Banns Groom Bride & witness 1 marked X. Witness 2 signed

Moving that elijah to Eliza James with note

I think maybe Sophia could be this one....often forename changed when it is odd sounding.
Free reg.
27 Feb 1814 St Mary Kingswinford
Groom James SOUTHALL Groom abode Kingswinford
Bride Sobiesky LITTLE Bride abode Kingswinford
Witness1 Mary LITTLE
Witness2 Thomas WALKER
Notes Groom, bride and witness 1 sign by mark

So if Sophia dies ..

poss
1842
SOUTHALL Sophia 1842 Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/007/106



Free Reg
St Thomas Dudley
Burial date 06 Jan 1842
Burial person forename Sophia
Burial person surname SOUTHALL
Person age 48
Burial person abode Netherton
Notes Died 2 Jan



and then James Southall marries Sarah Round nee Spicer

where is the marriage.

James Southall here

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =306568343

and Sarah Spicer here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =544518402

looking for census for 1851

and that marriage.

Found it..will connect up
Free Reg.
03 Mar 1845 St Mary Kingswinford
Groom James SOUTHALL - full age- widower- occupation Furnace Man- abode Pensnett Groom father John SOUTHALL
Groom father occupation Farmer
Bride Sarah ROUND- full age widow-abode Pensnett Bride father Richard SPICER Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness1 Joseph JAMES
Witness2 Beth SOUTHALL
Notes Both fathers are deceased.The Bride, Groom & both witnesses signed with a X

Could do with 1851 pls anyone

1851 Salop Street Dudley
James Southall Head Mar 55 Nailer
Sarah Southall Wife Mar 47
Benjn Round Son in Law 13 Iron Stone Miner
Levi Southall Son 5
All Born Dudley

SOUTHALL, LEVI SPICER
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 378

1861 Shavers End Dudley
James Southall Head Mar 65 Labourer
Sarah Southall Wife Mar 60
Levi Southall Son 15 Miner
All Born Dudley

Thanks I will add

Poster if it is ok with the owner of Bcc
would you like your name added to Sarah spicer and James southall.
we can only put that you Connect to it using your username.
and then if anyone connects they can pm you.

need to check ok with owner Grangers14 too.

Joseph Southall and Ann Johnson

what proof is there that Joseph married this Ann?

there is a marriage for an Ann Mullett
8 April 1822 St Mary Kingswinford
witness is a James Southall.

and
18 Dec 1825 St Mary Kingswinford to an Ann fox

John Southall here on Bcc
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =865486050