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"Complete"Walcher,Watchall, orWatchorn

Postby mumbles » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:07 pm

Need help finding correct surname of this family :-
1861 Census Tower Street Dudley Worcs.
Thomas Frances ( actually Thomas Farmer Head 39 Vice Maker
Sarah Frances ( Farmer) wife 29 Clay Hill Salops.
John Walcher son.in.law 18 Forgeman
Daniel Walcher son.in.law 15 Forgeman
Ellen Walcher step.dau 11
Caroline Walcher step.dau 9
William Farmer son 10 born Dudley Port Staffs.
George Farmer son 8 born Dudley Port Staffs.
Rest born Dudley Worcs.

Freereg marriage
1) St. Martin Pepper Box Tipton 15/10/1849
Thomas Farmer Blacksmith Dudley father William Farmer Labourer
Mary Ann Fleet Dudley father George Fleet Labourer
Witnesses Joseph Thomas & Elizabeth Webb
2) 30/3/1861 St. James Dudley
Thomas Farmer 38 (wid) Vice Maker Dudley father William Farmer Moulder
Sarah Watchall (wid) Dudley father Benjamin Smith Labourer
Witnesses James & Elizabeth Webb

Cannot find Sarah Smith marriage to a Walcher or Watchall or Watchorn or children on GRO or earlier or later Census
1861 Census may be wrong as regards ages of children as Sarah would have been only c. 11 when John Walcher born and 14 when Daniel born
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Re: Walcher,Watchall, orWatchorn

Postby mumbles » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:12 pm

THat 1861 Census could be Watchel nor Walcher
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Re: Walcher,Watchall, orWatchorn

Postby rockyfowler » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:37 pm

Free Reg
Marriage entry
Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Worcestershire
Place Dudley
Church name St John The Evangelist
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 02 Sep 1854
Groom forename William
Groom surname WATCHORN
Groom age Full Age
Groom condition widower
Groom occupation Puddler
Groom abode Dudley
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname SMITH
Bride age Full Age
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Dudley
Bride father forename Benjamin
Bride father surname SMITH
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness1 forename John
Witness1 surname COLLEY
Witness2 forename Ann Maria
Witness2 surname PHILLIPS
Notes Groom's father is deceased
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Re: Walcher,Watchall, orWatchorn

Postby mumbles » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:38 pm

Thanks RF
There are Watchorn family in Tower Street in 1851
William Watchorn Head 29 Puddler
Mary Watchorn wife 29 Nailer born Wednesbury Staffs.
John Samuel Watchorn son 8 Scholar
Harriett Watchorn dau 6 Scholar
Daniel Watchorn son 3
Ellen Watchorn dau 1
JJohn Watchorn lodger 79 Retired Nailer born Rowley Regis Staffs.
William Woodward lodger 35 (m) born Worcs.
Maria Woodward lodger 30 born Worcs.
Rest born Dudley Worcs.
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Re: Walcher,Watchall, orWatchorn

Postby mumbles » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:16 pm

Children are registered as mother Parkes so William Watchorn must have married a Mary Parkes
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Re: Walcher,Watchall, orWatchorn

Postby Jimmy » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:48 pm

Dudley St Thomas.
Birth date 26 Oct 1842.
Baptism date 09 Jan 1843.
John Samuel WATCHORN.
Father William WATCHORN. Dudley. Pudler.
Mother Sarah WATCHORN.
Notes Privately baptised

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1842.
WATCHORN William. PARKES Sarah. Kingswinford, St Mary. Dudley Register Office. 213/001/240.

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Death,
WATCHORN, SARAH age 31.
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 69.
Burial,
Dudley Wolverhampton Street Methodist Chapel.
Burial date 16 Jan 1854.
Sarah WATCHORN. Person age 31.
Burial person abode Dudley.
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Re: Walcher,Watchall, orWatchorn

Postby Jimmy » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:44 pm

Jimmy wrote:West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1842.
WATCHORN William. PARKES Sarah. Kingswinford, St Mary. Dudley Register Office. 213/001/240.


Ancestry,

William Watchorn. of Pensnett. father John Watchorn.
Sarah Parkes. of Pensnett. father William Parkes (Deceased).
Marriage Date: 8 May 1842.
Marriage Place: Kingswinford, Stafford
FHL Film Number: 1040916.
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Re: Walcher,Watchall, orWatchorn

Postby mumbles » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:27 am

Found this marriage
WATCHORN William PARKES Sarah Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/001/240 1842
Which ties up with Parkes but not Mary on 1851 Census
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Re: Walcher,Watchall, orWatchorn

Postby mumbles » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:28 am

1851 Census Tower Street Dudley Worcs.
William Watchorn Head 29 Puddler
Mary Watchorn wife 29 Nailer born Wednesbury Staffs.
John Samuel Watchorn son 8 Scholar
Harriott Watchorn dau 6 Scholar
Daniel Watchorn son 3
Ellen Watchorn dau 1
John Watchorn lodger (wid) 79 Retired Nailer born Rowley Regis Staffs.
William Woodward lodger 35 (m) Labourer born Worcs.
Maria Woodward lodger (m) 30 born Worcs.
Rest born Dudley Worcs.
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Re: Walcher,Watchall, orWatchorn

Postby mumbles » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:40 am

Finally managed to sort out thanks to Old Invincibles Jimmy and RF
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