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ARC...John Whale & Sarah Unknown...

Postby sp1 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:29 pm

On BCC here:
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=452710

I think the marriage to Sarah Slymm mentioned in the notes is the correct one:
From the GRO site: 1865, March Qtr, Dudley, John Whale, Mother Slimm
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown

Postby mjay » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:17 pm

From the GRO website

WHALE, HANNAH    SLIM 1863  M Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 123

WHALE, EMMA    SLIM 1867  S Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C

WHALE, SARAH  ANN  SLIM 1874  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 144

WHALE, JAMES   SLIM  1856  M Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 111

WHALE, JOHN    SLIM 1858  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 108

WHALE, BENJAMIN    SLIM  1860  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 130

WHALE, JOHN    SLIMM  1865  M Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 138

(Whale family connects to me, MJAY )
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby grangers14 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:12 pm

1861??

1871. 4 Bishop Street, Dudley.
John Whale, head, 29, Forge Labourer
Sarah, wife, 34,
James, son, 13, Coal miner,
Benjamin, son, 8,
Hannah, daur, 6,
John, son, 4,
Emma, daur, 2
All born Dudley

1891. 3 Dandy Row, Dudley.
John Whale, head, 58, Forgeman
Sarah, wife, 58,
Both born Dudley
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby grangers14 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:07 pm

Marriage, Freereg
26th December 1831. St Martin, Tipton.
John Wheale, B, Tipton
Hannah Turley, S, Tipton
Witnesses, Thomas Brown, Thomas Shorthouse

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1844
WHALE Hannah BROWN Benjamin Sedgley, All Saints Dudley Register Office 216/003/253

21st October 1844. All Saints, Sedgley.
Benjamin Brown, Benjamin Brown
Hannah Whale, Joseph Turley


1841. Freebodies, Dudley.
Joseph Turley, 60,
Hannah Whale, 20, Not born in County
Joseph Whale, 8,
John Whale, 6,
Benjamin Whale, 4
All others born in County

1851. Tower Street, Dudley.
Benjamin Brown, head, 34, Cordwainer, Liverpool
Hannah, wife, 38, Birmingham
Joseph Wail, wifes son, 18, Pudler
John Waile, wifes son, 16, Screw maker,
Benjamin Waile, wifes, son, 14, Forge man
All others born Dudley

Possible Joseph Turley on BCC
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=453406
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby grangers14 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:48 am

Thanks to RF we have the marriage...
21 Oct 1844. All Saints, Dudley.
Benjamin BROWN F B Cordwainer Dudley Father Benjamin Brown Habberdasher
Hannah WHALE F W Dudley Father Joseph Turley Fender Maker
After Banns Benjamin Signed The X Of Hannah
Wit; George Lloyd X / Lydia Turley X
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby grangers14 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:13 pm

It looks like this John Whale is connected to the wrong father?

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =967656371
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby grangers14 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:26 pm

1881. 9 Bishop Steet, Dandy Row, Dudley
John Hunt, head, 25,
Ann Maria, wife, 26.
Thomas, son, 3,
John, son, 2,
Ann Elizabeth, daur, 1m,
Benjamin Whale, lodger, 21, Coal Miner
All born Dudley

1901. Bishop Street, Dudley.
Benjamin Whale, head, W, 43, Stone breaker
Sarah, Mother, 67,
James, son, 18, (blind)

1911. 6A Earle Street, Dudley
Benjamin Whale, head, 59, Miner
James Whale, son, 30, (blind)
Sarah Whale, Mother, 80
Joseph Elcock, visitor, 20, Labourer
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby grangers14 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:46 pm

grangers14 wrote:It looks like this John Whale is connected to the wrong father?

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =967656371



It was miss leading on BCC because the census was not right. John Later living with son William Henry not John, I have changed that.
There is also mention of possible brother living next door Joseph Whale.
Thanks to BC Wench this is the marriage fr him

17 December 1883 St Matthew, Tipton
Joseph Whale, 24, B, Pudler, Tipton, Joseph Whale, Pudler
Mary Deedon, 34, Wid, Tipton, William Sadler, Works in Brick Yard
Wit: Thomas Law, Louisa Smith

On Bcc added to John and Eliza Randle...
Next door - possibly John's brother
1891 : 22 High Street, Kates Hill, Dudley, Worcs
Joseph Whale, Head, 32, Coal Miner,
Mary Whale, Wife, 45,
Mary Whale, Daur, 14,
Sarah J Lawrence, Visitor, 18,
All Born Dudley

I can not find a connection yet?
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby mjay » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:13 pm

1881 24 High St Dudley
Joseph Whale 49 Pudler (Out Of Employ)
Eliza Whale wife 47 Laundress
Joseph Whale 20 Son Stone Breaker At Quarry
Eliza Rollason 90 mother in law

Not sure this is right one, I'm confused gonna have to come back to this one
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby mjay » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:07 am

Hope I've got this right
It doesn't look like brother of John Whale1864(Eliza Randle)
Living next door on 1891 census
Think its John Whale1835
(Sarah slim)brother, Joseph Whale 1833 son Joseph 1861
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=454982

*I've Checked GRO children of John Sarah slim can't see a Joseph.

Next door -
1891 : 22 High Street, Kates Hill, Dudley, Worcs
Joseph Whale, Head, 32, Coal Miner,
Mary Whale, Wife, 45,
Mary Whale, Daur, 14,
Sarah J Lawrence, Visitor, 18,
All Born Dudley

We have his marriage
Joseph Whale 1861
17 December 1883 St Matthew, Tipton
Joseph Whale, 24, B, Pudler, Tipton, Joseph Whale, Pudler
Mary Deedon, 34, Wid, Tipton, William Sadler, Works in Brick Yard
Wit: Thomas Law, Louisa Smith

1881
24 High St Dudley
*Joseph Whale 49 Pudler (Out Of Employ)
Eliza Whale wife 47 Laundress
*Joseph Whale 20 Son Stone Breaker At Quarry
Eliza Rollason 90 mother in law

1871 ??Court8 Dudley
Joseph Whale34
Eliza Whale38
Susanah Whale16
William Whale13
Eliza Whale10
*Joseph Whale 8
Sarah Ann Whale 6
Ann Whale3

Can't find a marriage for Joseph Whale 1833 & Eliza ??
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby Jimmy » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:59 pm

??????????

Dudley St Andrews.
Marriage date 27 Oct 1851.
Joseph WHALE. Minor. Netherton. bachelor. Puddler. John WHALE. Nailer.
Eliza INGRAM. Minor. Netherton. spinster. William INGRAM. Miner.
Witness Priscilla STEM.
Witness George STEM.
Notes Groom's father is deceased.
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby BC Wench » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:06 pm

You beat me to it Jimmy. :wink:

1861 Census: High Street, Dudley
Joseph Whale, Head.Mar, 28, Puddler 1833
Elizabeth Whale, Wife, 26 1825
John Whale, Son, 11 1850
Susannah Whale, Dau, 6 1855
William Whale, Son, 3 1858
Eliza Whale, Dau, 1 1860
(All born Kates Hill, Dudley)

1871 Census is entered twice

1871 Census: 32 High Street, Dudley - RG10/3015 Folio 66 Page 29
Joseph Whale, Head.Mar, 39, Forge Man 1832
Eliza Whale, Wife, 38 1833
Susannah Whale, Dau.UM, 16 1855
William Whale, Son, 13 1858
Eliza Whale, Dau, 10 1861
Joseph Whale, Son, 8 1863
Sarah Ann Whale, Dau, 6 1865
Hannah Whale, Dau, 3 1868
(All born Dudley)

1871 Court 8 32 High Street, Dudley - RG10/3015 Folio 60 Page 17
Joseph Whale, Head.Mar, 39, Puddler
Eliza Whale, Wife, 38
Susanah Whale, Dau, 16, Works in the Brick Yard
William Whale, Son, 13
Eliza Whale, Dau, 10
Joseph Whale, Son, 8
Sarah Ann Whale, Dau, 6
Ann Whale, Dau, 3
(All born Kates Hill, Dudley)

1881 Census: 24 High Street, Dudley
Joseph Whale, Head.Mar, 49, Pudler (Out Of Employ) 1832
Eliza Whale, wife, 47, Laundress 1834
Joseph Whale, 20, Son, Stone Breaker At Quarry 1861
Eliza Rollason 90 mother in law 1791
(All born Dudley)

1891 Census: Bishop Street, Dudley
Joseph Whale, Head.Mar, 60, Road L. Stone Breaker 1831
Eliza Whale, Wife, 58 1833
Susanna Fellows Granddau, 12, Scholar 1879
Elizabeth Fellow, Granddau, 7, Scholar 1884
(All born Dudley)

WHALE, SUSANNAH INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 154

WHALE, WILLIAM INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 131

WHALE, ELIZA INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 118

WHALE, JOSEPH INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 98

WHALE, SARAH ANN INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 108

Marriage: 27 October 1851 St Andrew, Netherton, Dudley (FreeREG)
Joseph Whale, Minor, B, Puddler, Netherton, John Whale (Dec'd), Nailer
Eliza Ingram, Minor, S, Netherton, William Ingram, Miner
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby Jimmy » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:44 pm

mjay wrote:1881 24 High St Dudley
Joseph Whale 49 Pudler (Out Of Employ)
Eliza Whale wife 47 Laundress
Joseph Whale 20 Son Stone Breaker At Quarry
Eliza Rollason 90 mother in law.
Not sure this is right one, I'm confused gonna have to come back to this one



Dudley St Andrews.
Marriage date 05 Nov 1866.
William ROLINSON. Full age. Netherton. widower. Whitesmith. William ROLINSON. ?
Eliza INGRAM. Full age. Bride parish Netherton. widow. Thomas IRONS. ?
Witness James WEEKS.
Witness Mary WEEKS.
Notes Both fathers are deceased.
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Re: John Whale & Sarah Unknown...grangers14 sorting

Postby grangers14 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:40 am

Next door -
1891 : 22 High Street, Kates Hill, Dudley, Worcs
Joseph Whale, Head, 32, Coal Miner,
Mary Whale, Wife, 45,
Mary Whale, Daur, 14,
Sarah J Lawrence, Visitor, 18,
All Born Dudley

We have his marriage
Joseph Whale 1861
17 December 1883 St Matthew, Tipton
Joseph Whale, 24, B, Pudler, Tipton, Joseph Whale, Pudler
Mary Deedon, 34, Wid, Tipton, William Sadler, Works in Brick Yard
Wit: Thomas Law, Louisa Smith


1901. 22 High Street, Dudley.
Joseph Whale, head, 42, Coal Miner,
Mary, wife, 51,
Mary, daur, 24, Unloader brickyard
All born Dudley

1911. 22 High Street, Kates Hill
Joseph Whale, head, 52, Coal miner
Mary, wife, 60, House duties, married 27 years 7 children, 1 living
Mary Dearden, daughter, S, 35, House Duties
Sarah Jane Whale, 11, nephew (crossed out)
All born Dudley


1881. 8, 2 Court, High Street, Dudley.
Joseph Deardon, head, 32, Puddler Iron Works
Mary, wife, 36,
Phebe, daur, 4,
Mary, daur, 1
All born Dudley
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1869

SADLER Mary DEARDEN Joseph H Rowley Regis, St Giles Sandwell Register Office 18/4/102
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