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Postby Silver surfer » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:04 pm

Have found ref for the marriage of the above couple Dec qtr 1850 at Dudley Dud 18 449. Don't know if a Church or Reg office. Rumoured one was Protestant and other Catholic. Any info appreciated.
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby Northern Lass » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:36 am

Can anyone find which church pls silver surfer to post in the look ups need exact church date month year
Or the bmsgh ref no and church and year
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby Jimmy » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:19 am

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1850.
DEAN James. EDWARDS Mary A. Dudley, St James. Dudley Register Office. 202/001/137.


Dudley St James.
Marriage date 20 Nov 1850.
James DEAN. of full age. bachelor. Moulder. Dudley. James DEAN. Moulder.
Mary Ann EDWARDS. of full age. spinster. Dudley. Samuel EDWARDS. Bricklayer.
WitnessES Edward HIGGINBOTTOM, Sarah WOODALL.
Notes Groom & Witnesses sign X.
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby Jimmy » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:34 am

2 for Sarah Hart,

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1850.
HART Sarah. BIRD John. Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box). Sandwell Register Office. 39/6/147.

or this one,

HART Sarah. PLANT Thomas. Dudley, St James. Dudley Register Office. 202/001/140.

Tipton St Martin.
Marriage date 04 Nov 1850.
John BIRD. 25. Miner. Leabrook. William BIRD. Miner.
Sarah HART. 20. Leabrook. William HART. Brazier.
Witnesses John JONES. Hannah DETHERIDGE.
Notes Groom, Bride & both Witnesses sign X.

Dudley St James.
Marriage date 22 Dec 1850.
Thomas PLANT. of full age. bachelor. Maltster. Dudley. William PLANT Maltster.
Sarah HART. of full age. spinster. Dudley. Samuel HART. Labourer.
Witnesses George Ben. BRADLEY. Jane BRADLEY.
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby Silver surfer » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:48 am

Beat me to it Jimmy. So it wasn't Sarah Hart. According to 1861 census James and Sarah and son John are at Blackbrook rd but in 1871 the only John I can find has father Timothy at Gads Lane. Parents born Ireland and Johns age correct so did he change his name I wonder. John born Dudley 1853 but did parents marry Ireland?
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby Jimmy » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:25 am

Can you post the census details that you have.
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby Jimmy » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:55 am

DEAN, JOHN BLACKHOUSE mothers maiden name blank. -
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 116.
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby Jimmy » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:13 am

Looks like a mistake on the name, but was it Timothy or James.?

1861. Gadds Lane,
Timothy Dean 40.
Sarah Dean 38.
John Dean 7.

1871. 9 Blackbrook Road.
James Dean 50.
Sarah Dean 40.
John Dean 16.
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby Silver surfer » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:01 pm

This has been a nightmare that's why I've left it so long before taking it up again. Johns marriage to Hagar Jones Danks in May 1875 has his age as 21 but doesn't give a middle name. He was living at Darby End, a moulder. His father was James a furnace man.
Those are the census results I have.
Can only find 2 Johns born 1851-55 at Dudley, one is John B and other b Stourbridge1854.
Where to now? Cant remember if I sent for a birth cert all those years ago stating the name of a father. Think request was returned as no match. Shall have to dig into my files to remind myself.

Another alternative is to try to find young John in 1861 and 71 with father James.
Johns first child was Sarah, after mother?
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby Silver surfer » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:17 pm

The plot thickens. Looking at my family tree notes I have " Norah Dean always believed her gt gd parents were called Harry and Florence (Hardy)" but I can not find these names anywhere. Strange Harry was the name of Johns first son. :? :? But why James on mar. cert? Was he trying to escape his Irish heritage and hence the change in name to Timothy at some time? :? :?
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby grangers14 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:43 pm

This person on BCC
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=452711

1901. Double Row, Netherton, Dudley
Benjamin Pitt, head, 40, Labourer in clay fields,
Hagar, wife, 48, Old Hill
Sarah Dean, step daur, 24,
Minnie Dean, step daur, 20, chain maker
Eliza Dean, step daur, 18, chain maker
Florrie Dean, step daur, 16, chain maker
Matilda Dean, step daur, 15, chain maker
John Dean, step son, 11
Lilian May Dean, step daur, 9,
Martha Pitt, daur, 5,
John William Dean, son, 4, illegitimate child of Sarah
James Dean, 8 months, illegitimate child of Sarah
All others born Dudley

1911. 48, Withymoor Road, Netherton, Dudley.
Benjamin Pitt, head, 49, Labourer in Brickyard,
Ada, wife, 58, married 16 years, 1 child, living, Old Hill
Harry, stepson, 30, setter in brick yard,
John Dean, step son, 21, feeble minded 19 years of age
James, grand son, 11,
Martha Pitt, daur, 15, factory hand
Matilda Langley, grand daur, 3
Under this there is blank born London and 4 others, blank Setter in brick?

Who is Norah Dean?
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby grangers14 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:09 pm

1881. 21 Belper Row, Dudley.
John Deane, head, 26, Iron cater,
Ager, wife, 37, Kingswinford
Sarah, daur, 4.
Harry, son, 2,
Minie, daur, 1
All others born Dudley

From BCC Solomon Danks…
1891 at 2 Dog Lane, Rowley Regis
Solomon Danks Head 62 Retired Engine Driver b. Worcs., Dudley
Eliza Danks Wife 56 b. Radnor? N.K.
Mary Danks Daur 18 Dairy Maid b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
John Dean Son-in-law 35 Foundry Moulder b. Worcs., Dudley
Agar Dean (Trans as Danks on ancestry ) Daur 36 b. Staffs., Pensnett
Sarah Dean Grand-daur 14 General Servant b. Worcs., Netherton
Harry Dean Grand-son 12 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
Minnie Dean Grand-daur 11 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
Eliza Dean Grand-daur 9 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
Florie Dean Grand-daur 7 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
Matilda Dean Grand-daur 5 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
John Dean Grand-son 1 b. Worcs, Dudley
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby Silver surfer » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:20 pm

Norah was Harry Deans daughter, my dads cousin but I only discovered her existence through an article in the Bugle about the watercress beds at Darby End run by her gt gd dad Solomon Danks. I visited a few times before she died in 2007. Harry was the son of John and Hagar Danks.
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart

Postby BC Wench » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:05 pm

This is what I've added to BCC

Benjamin Pitt & Hagar Jones Danks here

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=453032

also Benjamin's mother Jemima Leech's family

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=453032

Plus added missing info on Hagar Jones Danks & John Dean

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=453032

Jimmy also found this as I did

DEAN, JOHN BLACKHOUSE - No Mother's Maiden Name
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 116

1861 Census: Gads Lane, Dudley
Timothy Dean, Head.Mar, 40, Labourer, Ireland
Sarah Dean, Wife, 38, Ireland
John Dean, Son, 7, Dudley

1871 Census: 9 Blackbrook Road, Woodside, Dudley
James Dean, Head.Mar, 50, (No occ), Woodside
Sarah Dean, Wife, 40, Woodside
John Dean, Son.UM, 16, Gasometer Maker, Dudley Port

but I haven't added on BCC as I'm not sure. I think it would be worth getting the Birth Certificate for John Blackhouse Dean born 1854
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Re: marriage of James Dean -Sarah Hart...Bc Wench adding

Postby grangers14 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:12 pm

It all does get mixed up from Timothy and James??
Agree a birth cert is needed. Wondering if we can put in a possible?
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