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Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960) NL to add bcc

Postby Waltzer7 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:41 pm

I have come across a daughter, Doris Joyce Cox Tranter born around 1909 (April-May-June Quarter) under Stourbridge, Vol 6c page 134 but cannot find her on Search the GRO Online Index, using the surname Cox or Tranter... On the 1911 Census Doris Joyce Cox Tranter appears as the step-daughter of Mary Anne Tate, which would mean she's the daughter of Herbert John Cox and Mum Tranter ? So who was Mum Tranter?

I have Herbert John Cox married to Mary Ann Tate (1869 - 1914) in 1896 (April-May-June Quarter). Mary Ann Cox died on 27 July 1914 and is buried at St Peter's Cemetery.

Herbert John Cox married again to Annie Tate (1869 - ?) in 1916 (July-August-Sept Quarter)

Herbert John Cox died 5 March 1960.

They lived at Holloway House, Drews Holloway, Cradley, which was demolished around 1966.
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960)

Postby Northern Lass » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:59 am

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TATE Mary A COX Herbert J Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/016/29


Do you have this marriage?

I think we might have Mary Ann on bcc
Can we check right Mary Ann
I am struggling to confirm stuff on this tablet

Can't put link on but Mary Tate father james mother lucy fellows can I connect up
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960)

Postby kdwoodie » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:30 pm

Doris Joyce Tranter Cox was adopted by Herbert, she was the daughter of Julia Cox and Fred Tranter
TRANTER, DORIS JOYCE COX COX Order
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 134

Julia Cox was the daughter of Shadrach Cox on BCC https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=449494
Julia married Frederick Tranter COX Julia TRANTER Frederick 1908 Cradley, St Peter Dudley Register Office 013/003/192
Possible Frederick on BCC https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=449494
Julia died 1909 West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1909
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
TRANTER Julia Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/041/109

I cannot make a connection between Shadrach Cox and Herbert Cox
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960)

Postby Waltzer7 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:34 pm

Northern Lass wrote:West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TATE Mary A COX Herbert J Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/016/29


Do you have this marriage?

I think we might have Mary Ann on bcc
Can we check right Mary Ann
I am struggling to confirm stuff on this tablet

Can't put link on but Mary Tate father james mother lucy fellows can I connect up


Yes that is the marriage for Herbert John Cox and Mary Ann Tate (1st wife). Mary Ann was the daughter of James Tate (1825 - 1899) and Lucy Fellows ( (1829 - 1917)

Herbert J Cox married again to his second wife, Annie Tate (1869 - ?) in 1916 (Stourbridge July-Aug-Sept Quarter). I've just got back home and will be starting on Annie but crediting to kdwoodie that Annie Tate was the niece of Mary Ann Tate!
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960)

Postby Northern Lass » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:32 am

So I can connect up do you have the full marriage info you can post
The I can connect the 2 individuals up

And do you have the full info on other marriage
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960)

Postby kdwoodie » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:17 pm

Hi Jan
This is the info i have for Herbert
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1896
COX Herbert J TATE Mary A Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/016/29

1901 Lucerne Villas Beecher Road Cradley
Herbert J Cox 32 Gun Barrel Grinder
Mary A Cox 32 (Daughter of James Tate and Lucy Fellows) https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=449516

Marriages Sep 1916
COX Hubert J TATE Annie Cradley, Providence Methodist Church, Colley Gate Dudley Register Office 053/001/10

1939 "Holloway Hse",Drews Holloway , Halesowen M.B., Worcestershire, England
Herbert John Cox 14 Jan 1869 Male Retired Hardware Merchant Married
Annie Cox 03 Jul 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Doris J Cox 21 Mar 1909 Female Clerk Post Office Single
Dorothy F Cox 16 Jan 1927 Female At School Single

Death
Name: Herbert J Cox
Death Age: 91
Birth Date: abt 1869
Registration Date: Mar 1960
Registration district: Stourbridge
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 9d
Page: 225

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Cox Herbert John of Holloway House Cradley died 5 Mar 1960 Probate Birmingham 12 April to Annie Cox Widow. Effects £5539 2s. 4d.

I don't have full info for the marriages.


Annie daughter of William Edward Tate(son of James Tate and Lucy Fellows) and Lucy Priest Possibly here on BCC https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=449516

Info for William Edward Tate
Marriage
Name: William Tate
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 14 Jul 1873
Marriage Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Spouse: Lucy Priest

1881 7 Furlong Lane
William E. Tate 29 Iron Worker Puddler
Lucy Tate 30
Martha E. Tate 7
Ethel Tate 3
Florence Tate 1
John H. Tate 5

1891 Windmill Hill Cradley
William Edmund Tate 39 Butcher
Lucy Tate 40
Martha E Tate 17
John Howard Tate 15
Ethel Tate 13
Florence Tate 11
Nancy Tate 9
Henry Tate 7
Lilly Tate 5
Elsie Tate 4

1901 Furlong Lane Cradley
William E Tate 48 Butcher
Lucy Tate 49
Frederick H Tate 17
Lily Tate 15
Elsie Tate 14

1911 Census For England & Wales
Providence House Colley Gate Cradley Staffordshire, Cradley, Worcestershire, England
William Edward Tate Head Married Male 59 1852 Butcher Colley Gate
Lucy Tate Wife Married Female 60 1851 - Cradley
Annie Tate Daughter Single Female 28 1883 Domestic County AT
Frederic Harry Tate Son Single Male 27 1884 Bucther Worcester
Lille Tate Daughter Single Female 26 1885 Domestic -
Elsie Tate Daughter Single Female 24 1887 School Teacher Elementary -

Death
Name: William Edward Tate
Death Date: 4 Jan 1924
Death Place: Worcestershire, England
Probate Date: 24 May 1924
Registry: London, England
Tate William Edward of 7 Highfield Road Cradley who died 4 Jan 1924 Probate London 24 May to John Howard Tate and Frederick Harry Tate Butchers and Amplias Appeles Tate Farmer Effects £2851 4s 7d

Martha Ellen Tate (Daughter of James Tate and Lucy Fellows ) Married Caleb Cox https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... onnections
Marriage 1878
COX Caleb TATE Martha E Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/007/164

Info for Caleb Cox
Married 1878
COX Caleb TATE Martha E Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/007/164

1881 Windmill Lane Cradley
Caleb Cox Head Married Male 26 1855 Gun Barrel Grinder Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Martha E Cox Wife Married Female 26 1855 - Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Charles E Cox Son Single Male 1 1880 - Cradley, Worcestershire, England

1891 Coleman Hill Street Cradley
Caleb Cox Head Married Male 36 1855 Gun Barrel Grinder Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Martha Cox Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Charles Edwin Cox Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Emily Cox Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Cradley, Worcestershire, England
May Cox Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Cradley, Worcestershire, England
James Cox Daughter - Male 2 1889 - Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Kate Cox Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Cradley, Worcestershire, England

1901 Windmill Hill Cradley
Caleb Cox Head Married Male 46 1855 Gunbarrel Grinder Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Martha E Cox Wife Married Female 46 1855 - Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Charles E Cox Son Single Male 21 1880 Surveyor's Clerk Cradley, Worcestershire, England
May Cox Daughter Single Female 16 1885 - Cradley, Worcestershire, England
James E Cox Son - Male 12 1889 - Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Kate Cox Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Emily Cox Daughter - Female 19 1882 Dressmaker Cradley, Worcestershire, England

1911 Census For England & Wales
Windmill Hill Cradley Staffordshire, Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Caleb Cox Head Married Male 56 1855 Gun Barret Grinder Worcester Cradley Parish
Martha Ellen Cox Wife Married Female 56 1855 - Worcester Cradley Parish
May Cox Daughter Single Female 26 1885 - Worcester Cradley Parish
James Cox Son Single Male 22 1889 Commercial Clerk Worcester Cradley Parish
Kate Cox Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Elementary School Teacher Worcester Cradley Parish

Deaths Dec 1930
Cox Caleb 76 Stourbridge 6c 8

Sorry if it seems long winded
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960)

Postby Northern Lass » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:27 am

Ok thanks will try and add whe I can get on computer not the tablet I am on will sticky
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960) NL to add bcc

Postby Waltzer7 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:45 pm

Could this be Annie Cox nee Tate's death date?

Annie Cox Age 83
Mar 1965
Stourbridge
Volume 9d Page 239

See link:-
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960) NL to add bcc

Postby kdwoodie » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:39 pm

Found this on GRO Find a Will

Annie Cox of Aber Holloway Drews Holloway Cradley Worcestershire Died 19 Feb 1965 Probate Birmingham 13 May to Albert Harold Rock clothing manufacturer. £4147

Albert Rock was married to Lily Maria Tate (Another daughter of William and Lucy and sister to Annie )
Marriage 1912
TATE Lily M ROCK Albert Cradley, Providence Methodist Church, Colley Gate Dudley Register Office 053/001

Albert Harold was Albert and Lily Marias son
ROCK, ALBERT HAROLD TATE Order
GRO Reference: 1914 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 9
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960) NL to add bcc

Postby Waltzer7 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:24 pm

Agree as I knew Harold Rock was connected to the Tate family as he was our neighbour but one at Colman Hill, Cradley. Also our homes were built by the Tate family plus they also owned Boggs Farm. Harold Rock also owned/ran Millicent Rock at Cradley Heath.
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960) NL to add bcc

Postby rockyfowler » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:28 pm

“You know you’re getting old when you stoop to tie your shoelaces and wonder what else you could do while you’re down there.” ― George Burns
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960) NL to add bcc

Postby rockyfowler » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:28 am

Two Baps St Peter Cradley

1864
2305 21 Aug Walter Edward son of Thomas & Jane Ellen COX Cradley Gun Barrel Grinder
2306 21 Aug Albert Henry son of Thomas & Jane Ellen COX Cradley Gun Barrel Grinder
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960) NL to add bcc

Postby Waltzer7 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:44 pm



I didn't realise that there were photos of gravestones at St. Peter's on here! I've been going to the churchyard and cemetery three times so far, looking for my ancestor Edwin Cox's father John Cox's grave and it has been quite difficult to read the letterings on some headstones, particularly the light coloured grey ones! Rockyfowler, before I go to the graveyard again, would it be possible to let me know if John Cox's gravestone is amongst these photos of gravestones? It would save me going there again and taking photos.

As I have taken lots of photos of gravestones, who do I send them to so that they could be posted on here?

Thanks.
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960) NL to add bcc

Postby Northern Lass » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:38 am

The photos are from the gallery on this site
So you can look through to see if that name is on
Mallorca runs the gallery so you can liaise with her too
I am not sure if the archives have a grave plan for the church you want
If they have they sometimes have a list of those buried
Talk to one of the archives peeps at Dudley
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Re: Herbert John Cox (1869 - 5 March 1960) NL to add bcc

Postby Waltzer7 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:56 pm

Northern Lass, Thanks and I will contact Dudley Archives soon.
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