PLEASE ARCHIVE - Fred Irish born abt 1880 Oldbury

[mallosa]

1911: 102 Sams Lane, West Bromwich, Staffordshire
He's a Boarder with the Timmins family, Widowed and a Waggon Packer at a Carriage Works

1901: Exmouth Dock, Vessels, Devon.
He's single age 22 and a Mariner on board the ship/vessel 'J W Waring'

so he must have married between 1901 and 1911

[mallosa]

poss
Birth Jun 1879
Irish Frederick William W. Bromwich 6b 807

[mallosa]

So this must be his 2nd marriage? I'll request a look up to confirm

Marriage 1913
IRISH Frederick W TIMMINS Rose H West Bromwich, St John Sandwell Register Office 24/4/35

1911: 102 Sams Lane, West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Thoma Timmins 61
Martha Timmins 55
Rose Timmins 29
Thomas Timmins 27
Martha Timmins 22
William Timmins 20
May Timmins 18
Emma Timmins 16
Gladys May Timmins 5
Fred Irish 31

[mallosa]

1891: Sir William Wright Dock Hull, Vessels, Yorkshire
Fredk Frish [Fredk Irish]
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Relationship: Crew - Scholar
Birth Year: 1881
Birth Place: Oldbury, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Vessels

[mallosa]

List of Officers, Crew Or Others On Board The Ship or Vessel Named The 'Southampton' On The Night Of Sunday April 5th 1891

Industrial School Vessel
Fred'k Irish age 10 born West Bromwich
Samuel Fenton age 10 born West Bromwich
Henry Morris age 12 born West Bromwich
Alfred Beaton age 13 born West Bromwich
Job Smith age 13 born West Bromwich
William Lawrence age 13 born West Bromwich
John Tho's Barnes age 14 born West Bromwich
Thomas Moore age 12 born West Bromwich
Thomas Carline age 14 born West Bromwich
William Harris age 11 born West Bromwich
Thomas Wycherley age 13 born West Bromwich
Eli Stevens age 11 born West Bromwich
John Hooper age 11 born Wolverhampton
Fred'k Lawrence age 12 born West Bromwich
Thomas Murphy age 11 born West Bromwich
George Cox age 11 born West Bromwich

In total there are 166 lads between the ages of 11-15 but I have picked out those only from West Bromwich most of the others are from Lancashire and Yorkshire

[mallosa]

Just 'googled' Industrial Schools.....

Certified industrial schools provided industrial training and residential care for destitute and vagrant children, between 1857 and 1933 in England and between 1854 and 1933 in Scotland.

[mumbles]

where did you get marriners records mallossa

[mallosa]

added here on BCC - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =846993685

[mallosa]

where did you get marriners records mallossa

from Ancestry, information just came up whilst searching the 1891 & 1901 census for Fred Irish

[Jimmy]

IRISH, FREDERICK WILLIAM blank.
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 807.

[Jimmy]

There are some family trees that put Elizabeth as Fredericks mother,

1871. Church Street, Oldbury.
Abraham Irish 52. Labourer.
Susannah Irish 50.
Louisa Irish 24.
Thomas Irish 22.
Ann Irish 15.
Elizabeth Irish 12. Oldbury.
Ellen Irish 5. Oldbury.
Frederick Irish 14. Oldbury.
Charles Irish 4 Months. Oldbury.

Others born Bromsgrove.

[mallosa]

Could be Jimmy, perhaps she named him after her brother?

Freereg...

Other Register
Register entry number 4499
Burial 22 Oct 1871 Public Cemetery,Oldbury, Worc
Frederick IRISH age 14 abode Church St, Oldbury

another brother perhaps....

Other Register
Register entry number 4517
Burial 29 Oct 1871 Public Cemetery, Oldbury, Worc
Charles Henry IRISH age 1y10m Church St, Oldbury

[mallosa]

It will be interesting to see if it gives only his mothers name

Marriage 1913
IRISH Frederick W TIMMINS Rose H West Bromwich, St John Sandwell Register Office 24/4/35

I have added all to BCC -

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =394774399

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =959010436

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =486149922

[mallosa]

Can be archived pending marriage look up