*Arch * -Marriage of David Harris and Sarah Smith C b1845

[Northern Lass]

Moved this ( as a quote) to this section so we can help Nutsy our newest member with it.....

Hi all This site has come highly recommened via a friend, so I'm hoping she's right and you guys are as good as she says

Ok, I'm currently tracing my BC Family Tree and have hit a bump in the road.

I'm trying to find out about a David Harris born 1845 to a Sarah Smith born 1846 and both as far as I'm aware were born in Cradley Heath/Rowley Regis.

If it's the David I'm looking for his father is Joseph and mother Mary. David and Sarah were married Dudley, St Thomas 24.4.1864.

I'd realy appreciate any help anyone can offer as I'm so totally confused right now. Seems there is another David and Sarah Haris, and the children even have similar names, but the Sarah's have different maiden names, but both seem to be born around the same time.

Thanks so much in advance..

[Northern Lass]

Have you got a bapt for this David?
Have you got the marriage certif? with father Joseph on?
Do you have the line from any of the kids of this lot?

Or this lot on a census at all?

this is odd...so are there 2 Josephs marrying the same time?

1864
HARRIS Joseph LOWE Sarah Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/022/185

and
DAVID HARRIS
Spouse: SARAH SMITH
Marriage: 24 APR 1864 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, Extracted

unless there are any clues on the census to it being your line from one of the kids
and you are sure that father is a Joseph then you need a look up on the marriage and see which one has father Joseph
do you know what occupation Joseph had?

[Jimmy]

The only one's I can see are these.

1881.

David HARRIS. Head M Male 35 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Ironworker.
Sarah HARRIS. Wife M Female 35 Cradley, Worcester,
Joseph HARRIS. Son U Male 16 Cradley, Worcester, Scraper In Wire Mill.
Emily HARRIS. Daur Female 10 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
John H. HARRIS. Son Male 8 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
Arthur HARRIS. Son Male 6 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
Eliza Mary HARRIS. Daur Female 4 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
David HARRIS. Son Male 2 Cradley, Worcester,

Dwelling 11 Inage
Census Place Cradley, Worcester,

1881.

David HARRIS. Head M Male 46 Cradley, Worcester, Gardener (Dom)
Sarah HARRIS. Wife M Female 50 Sedgeley, Stafford,
Annie HARRIS. Daur U Female 16 Cradley, Worcester,

Dwelling 74 Halesowen Road
Census Place Rowley Regis, Stafford, England

[Northern Lass]

The only one's I can see are these.

1881.

David HARRIS. Head M Male 35 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Ironworker.
Sarah HARRIS. Wife M Female 35 Cradley, Worcester,
Joseph HARRIS. Son U Male 16 Cradley, Worcester, Scraper In Wire Mill.
Emily HARRIS. Daur Female 10 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
John H. HARRIS. Son Male 8 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
Arthur HARRIS. Son Male 6 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
Eliza Mary HARRIS. Daur Female 4 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
David HARRIS. Son Male 2 Cradley, Worcester,

Dwelling 11 Inage
Census Place Cradley, Worcester,

1881.

David HARRIS. Head M Male 46 Cradley, Worcester, Gardener (Dom)
Sarah HARRIS. Wife M Female 50 Sedgeley, Stafford,
Annie HARRIS. Daur U Female 16 Cradley, Worcester,

Dwelling 74 Halesowen Road
Census Place Rowley Regis, Stafford, England

On the 1871 census the 2 couples above are living here....

1871 living Cradley Worcs
(this David is b abt 1845 at C. Heath)

David Harris H married 24 Forgeman b C.Heath
Sarah wife 25 b Cradley
Joseph son 6
Clara dau 2
Emily 10 mths

then the other David is sandwiched inbetween 2 Joseph Harris's one poss a bro age 42 and one maybe father age 75?
(This David is b 1835 ish)

1871 Cradley Lumbanns? Rd

David Harris 36 b Cradley Chainmaker
Sarah Harriswife 37 b Sedgley
Ann m Harris dau age 6

next door Joseph Harris age 75 and wife Elizabeth age 78 and son Edward Harris age 32

Nutsy which family here are your ancestors from?
Which children?

[Northern Lass]

There is an extracted bapt for a David Harris Cradley in 1830 and this is interesting on the submitted

David Harris Christening: 14 FEB 1830 Cradley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: Joseph Harris
Mother: Elizabeth Harris Smith

Record submit

[linell]

Hi all, Nutsy is in Australia so asleep at the present time. From what she gave me the family is this one:-

Lomey Town Cradley Heath 1851 1861 1871
Joseph Harrris born about 1806 RR
Mary Wife born about 1810 RR
Thomas Eldest son born CH 1835
Simeon 1836 Marries a Betsy Harris St Thomas 1866
John 1840
Susanna 1842 Married Aaron Davis, they are in Lomey Town 1861/1871 Marry St Andrew 1864
David 1844 Marries a Sarah?
Joseph 1848
Caleb 1850 Married Emma Harris St Andrews 1871

This is David and Sarah in Cradley 1881 that Jimmy found:-
David HARRIS. Head M Male 35 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Ironworker.
Sarah HARRIS. Wife M Female 35 Cradley, Worcester,
Joseph HARRIS. Son U Male 16 Cradley, Worcester, Scraper In Wire Mill.
Emily HARRIS. Daur Female 10 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
John H. HARRIS. Son Male 8 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
Arthur HARRIS. Son Male 6 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
Eliza Mary HARRIS. Daur Female 4 Cradley, Worcester, Scholar.
David HARRIS. Son Male 2 Cradley, Worcester,

Dwelling 11 Inage
Census Place Cradley, Worcester,

I think Joseph born 1806 is the son of a Thomas and Hannah

Linell.

[linell]

Forgot to add that I think we need a look up for the marriage of David Harris and Sarah Smith, the other Marriages seem to check out. Linell.

[Jimmy]

Extracted.

DAVID HARRIS.
SARAH SMITH.
Marriage, 24 APR 1864. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

[Northern Lass]

So will wait for Nutsy to come back and get involved on the thread
as it may be that both those Davids have a father Joseph as on the 1871 that I found
the 1871 and 1881 are obviously the same 2 Davids
So the occupation would be useful for Nutsys David for David and his father in checking on marriage
Seems 2 marriages in 1864 too.

[Jimmy]

1861.

Cradley,10,21,37,195,,Under Bank,,
HARRIS,Joseph,,head,M,M,65,,Nailers Tools Mender,,,STS,Rowley Regis.
HARRIS,Elizabeth,,wife,M,F,69,,Nailer,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,David,,son,U,M,26,,Chain Maker,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,Edward,,son,U,M,23,,Chain Maker,,,WOR,Cradley.

Next door.
196,,Under Bank,,
HARRIS,Joseph,,head,M,M,32,,Chain Maker,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,Emma,,wife,M,F,32,,Nailer,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,Phoebe,,dau,,F,4,,Scholar,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,Elizabeth,,dau,,F,3,,,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,Soloman,,son,,M,11m,,,,,WOR,Cradley.

[Jimmy]

1861.

Cradley,11,28,3,14,,Coley Gate,,
HARRIS,Benjamin,,head,M,M,50,,Nailer,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,Eliza,,wife,M,F,48,,Nailer,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,David,,son,U,M,22,,Nailer,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,William,,son,U,M,20,,Nailer,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,Ezra,,son,U,M,17,,Nailer,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,Caleb,,son,U,M,14,,Nailer,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,Emily,,dau,,F,11,,,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,Jesse,,son,,M,9,,Scholar,,,WOR,Cradley.
HARRIS,Benjamin,,son,,M,6,,Scholar,,,WOR,Cradley.

[dianel]

1851 Lomey Town, Rowley Regis
Joseph Harris Head 45 Colliery Labourer b. Staffs., b. Rowley Regis
Mary Harris Wife 41 b. Rowley Regis
Thomas Harris Son 16 Works in Iron Works b. Rowley Regis
Simon Harris Son 14 Assists Chain Maker b. Rowley Regis
Susannah Harris Daur 8 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
David Harris Son 6 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
Joseph Harris Son 2 b. Rowley Regis
Caleb Harris Son 3 Mo b. Rowley Regis

[dianel]

1841 Surfeit Hill, Rowley Regis
All born in county
Joseph Harris 30 Labourer
Mary Harris 30
Thomas Harris 5
Simeon Harris 4
John Harris 8 Mo

On one side are Hacketts aged 55 and on the other Raybolds aged 65

[Northern Lass]

So this looks like we could have 3 David Harris all married to a different Sarah!

Linell has flagged another marriage to a Bloomer for a David harris
So we have Smith- Lowe and Bloomer

We also it seems have 2 Josephs for fathers and a Benjamin

[Nutsy]

1851 Lomey Town, Rowley Regis
Joseph Harris Head 45 Colliery Labourer b. Staffs., b. Rowley Regis
Mary Harris Wife 41 b. Rowley Regis
Thomas Harris Son 16 Works in Iron Works b. Rowley Regis
Simon Harris Son 14 Assists Chain Maker b. Rowley Regis
Susannah Harris Daur 8 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
David Harris Son 6 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
Joseph Harris Son 2 b. Rowley Regis
Caleb Harris Son 3 Mo b. Rowley Regis

This is the family guys... Thomas was my Gx3 Grandfather and obvioulsy that would make Joseph Gx4 Grandfather.