Looking for John Thomas Payne b 1890 who marries Doris Hudson

[Northern Lass]

1901 18 Swan Street, Dudley, Worcs.
William Payne Head M 38 Miner
Elizabeth Payne Wife M 40 Born Tipton
Sarah E Payne Daur S 17 File Glazer
Mary Payne Daur S 15
William Payne Son Miner 14
Lily Payne Daur 12
John Payne Son 10
Thomas Payne Son 7
All others born Dudley
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =599654652


I think he might be father to this John Thomas Payne
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... onnections

[Jimmy]

1911. 38 Hawes Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Payne 59. clay worker labourer.
Elizabeth Payne 56. married 37 years. 5 children born.
John Thomas Payne 21. son. clay worker.
Lily Payne 20. Dau in law.
Geoffrey Henry Payne 1. grand dau.

All born Rowley Regis.
PAYNE, GEOFFREY HENRY WHILE.
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 3.

[mumbles]

Dau Sarah Elizabeth married John Thomas Oakley 1904 Dudley

John Thomas Oakley is on bcc
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... onnections

[mumbles]

Marriage St. Luke Dudley Worcs. 3/1/1904
John Oakley bach 32 Iron Worker 9 Waterloo Street father Thomas Oakley Iron Worker
Sarah Elizabeth Payne sp.22 18 Swan Street father William Payne Miner
Witnesses :- George & Phoebe Smith

[mumbles]

Sarah Elizabeth Payne was born 295/1884 and was a widow in 1939

[Northern Lass]

1911. 38 Hawes Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Payne 59. clay worker labourer.
Elizabeth Payne 56. married 37 years. 5 children born.
John Thomas Payne 21. son. clay worker.
Lily Payne 20. Dau in law.
Geoffrey Henry Payne 1. grand dau.

All born Rowley Regis.
PAYNE, GEOFFREY HENRY WHILE.
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 3.

That one is the father to this one so not the one I am after.
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... i=96376105

[Northern Lass]

So still looking for this lot in 1911 pls
1901 18 Swan Street, Dudley, Worcs.
William Payne Head M 38 Miner
Elizabeth Payne Wife M 40 Born Tipton
Sarah E Payne Daur S 17 File Glazer
Mary Payne Daur S 15
William Payne Son Miner 14
Lily Payne Daur 12
John Payne Son 10
Thomas Payne Son 7
All others born Dudley

[Jimmy]

1911. 38 Hawes Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Payne 59. clay worker labourer.
Elizabeth Payne 56. married 37 years. 5 children born.
John Thomas Payne 21. son. clay worker.
Lily Payne 20. Dau in law.
Geoffrey Henry Payne 1. grand dau.

All born Rowley Regis.
PAYNE, GEOFFREY HENRY WHILE.
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 3.

That one is the father to this one so not the one I am after.
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... i=96376105

This is the only one that there ìs.

[Northern Lass]

Then I am stuck on this

John Thomas Payne that marries Lily While is born 1890 and has mother surname Hollies
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =185747526

John Thomas Payne who marries Doris E Hudson is born 1890
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... onnections
can't find his birth

I think he connects here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =436720790
1901 18 Swan Street, Dudley, Worcs.
William Payne Head M 38 Miner
Elizabeth Payne Wife M 40 Born Tipton
Sarah E Payne Daur S 17 File Glazer
Mary Payne Daur S 15
William Payne Son Miner 14
Lily Payne Daur 12
John Payne Son 10
Thomas Payne Son 7
All others born Dudley

any ideas?

[kdwoodie]

Elizabeth remarried

1911 4 North View Terrace Aberaman Aberdare
David Minns Head 53 Married Boiler Smith Born Blantyre Scotland
Elizabeth Minns Wife 49 Married Born Dudley
Thomas Payne Step son 17 Single Coal Hewer Born Dudley
Married 3 Years

Name: Elizabeth Payne
[Elizabeth Ford]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 47
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: 1861
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1908
Marriage Place: Aberaman, Glamorganshire, Wales
Father:
Jonathan Richard Ford
Spouse:
David Minns Father: David Minns
Page number: 18

[Northern Lass]

I have split this topic.

I will look up the marriage but if anyone can find William Payne the father in 1911
it is the John Thomas Payne who marries Doris E Hudson
Not Doris E Harper.

[kdwoodie]

William must have died because Elizabeth his 2nd wife remarried

1911 4 North View Terrace Aberaman Aberdare
David Minns Head 53 Married Boiler Smith Born Blantyre Scotland
Elizabeth Minns Wife 49 Married Born Dudley
Thomas Payne Step son 17 Single Coal Hewer Born Dudley
Married 3 Years

Name: Elizabeth Payne
[Elizabeth Ford]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 47
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: 1861
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1908
Marriage Place: Aberaman, Glamorganshire, Wales
Father:
Jonathan Richard Ford
Spouse:
David Minns Father: David Minns
Page number: 18

[Northern Lass]

ok so....

do you think that the John Thomas who marries Doris Hudson is the one with mother Elizabeth Stibbs and step mother Elizabeth ford
ahead of marriage do you think we should connect?

[kdwoodie]

I think so.

Possible death for William

Deaths Sep 1902
Payne William 38 Stourbridge 6c 69

[kdwoodie]

Have added 2nd marrige for Elizabeth Ford
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =737303856

Haven't connected John