PLEASE ARCHIVE - Gravestone of Guest family

[mallosa]

This is doin' my head in....

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https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... i=22278391

Looking at son John and his wife Ellen (I can't find a marriage) or even see him with wife Ellen in any census


What's going on?

[Jimmy]

Rowley Regis St Giles.
Marriage date 01 Mar 1896.
John GUEST. 53. bachelor. Labourer. Old Hill Rowley Regis. James GUEST. Boatloader.
Ellen GUEST. 35. spinster. Rowley Regis. Issaac GUEST. Engine Driver.
Witness 1 Joseph EVANS.
Witness 2 Sarah SIVITER.
Notes The 2nd witness signed with X.

GUEST, JOHN 70.
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 8. born about 1836.

GUEST, ELLEN 68.
GRO Reference: 1933 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06B Page 846. born about 1865.

[Jimmy]

1911. 92 Halesowen Road, Old Hill.
Ellen Guest 46. Widow.
John Guest 26. Son.
James Guest 13. Son,
Ruth Guest 11. Dau,
Isaac Guest 4. Son.

All born Rowley Regis.

[Jimmy]

1901. 88 Halesowen Road, Old Hill.
John Guest 58. Wharf labourer.
Ellen Guest 38.
John Guest 16.
James Guest 4.
Ruth Guest 2.
Sarah Barrawdale 36. friend. single.

[Jimmy]

1891. 53 Halesowen Road, Rowley Regis.
Ruth Guest 77. widow.
John Guest 53. son single.
Ellen Guest 27. grand dau.
John Guest 6. grandson.

[Jimmy]

1881. 53 Halesowen Road, Rowley Regis.
Ruth Guest 70. Widow.
John Guest 43. son. Labourer at coal wharf.
Ellen Guest 14. Grand dau.

[Jimmy]

I think this census should be Guest not Tromans.

1871. Peartree Street, Rowley Regis.
Isaac Tromans 24. engineer.
Elizabeth Tromans 26.
Ellen Tromans 5.
Sophia Tromans 1.

GUEST, ELLEN TROMANS.
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 24.

GUEST, SOPHIA TROMANS.
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 15.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1866.
GUEST Isaac. TROWMANS Elizabeth. 1866. Dudley, St Thomas. Dudley Register Office. 204/024/121.

[Jimmy]

Could that mean that John Guest married his NIECE.

Married Ellen after his mother died,

GUEST, RUTH 86.
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 2

[Jimmy]

This Isaac as same occupation as marriage details.

1881. Cherry Orchard, Rowley Regis.
Isaac Guest 35. Engine Driver At Colliery.
Mary A. Guest 32.
Charlotte Guest 3. Dau.
William Guest 1. Son.

GUEST, CHARLOTTE JULIA HARVEY.
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 25.

GUEST, WILLIAM HARVEY.
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 9.

1891. 17 Spring Meadow, Rowley Regis.
Isaac Guest 47. colliery engine driver.
Mary Ann Guest 42.
Lollie Guest 13.
William Guest 11.
Jorenh Guest 9.
Alfred Guest 8.

1901. 17 Spring Meadow, Rowley Regis.
Isaac Guest 56. Coal mining engine driver.
Mary Ann Guest 52.
Joseph Guest 18.
Alfred Guest 19.

1911. 17 Spring Meadow, Rowley Regis.
Isaac Guest 63. Coal mining engine driver.
Mary Ann Guest 62. married 30 years.
William Guest 31.
Alfred Guest 27.
Mary Ann Guest 21. Dau in law.

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1866.
GUEST Isaac. TROWMANS Elizabeth. 1866. Dudley, St Thomas. Dudley Register Office. 204/024/121.

We need this marriage.

[mallosa]

Jimmy the Cat comes up trumps again!
Thanks so much Jimmy, I have started adding and will get back to it this evening

[Jimmy]

Ancestry, image available,

Isaac Guest. 32. Bachelor. Engine driver. James Guest, Boat unloader.
Mary Ann Harvey. 28. Spinster. William Harvey. Civil Engineer.
Marriage Date: 4 Feb 1877.
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire.

Mary Ann Harvey on BCC,

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=517076

[mallosa]

Thanks Jimmy

How can he be a bachelor on his 2nd marriage?

[mallosa]

Ancestry, image available,

Isaac Guest. 32. Bachelor. Engine driver. James Guest, Boat unloader.
Mary Ann Harvey. 28. Spinster. William Harvey. Civil Engineer.
Marriage Date: 4 Feb 1877.
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire.

Mary Ann Harvey on BCC,

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=517076

Just checked that image and you're right Jimmy (bachelor)

Witnesses were Louisa Knight & John Knight

[mallosa]

I think this census should be Guest not Tromans.

1871. Peartree Street, Rowley Regis.
Isaac Tromans 24. engineer.
Elizabeth Tromans 26.
Ellen Tromans 5.
Sophia Tromans 1.

Have we got a death for Elizabeth?