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Re: Musgrave or Musgrove - Eunice

Postby gardener » Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:34 pm

Robyn wrote:Hello Gardener,

Thank you for the searches and providing the information. The family certainly did seem get around. I have no idea if Barry was married before Eunice.

Would you provide me with the earlier baptism's please in and around London? With Barry and Sarah parents?

Hayes born/baptised in Aberystwyth in 1834 must have died. There was another son named Hayes born in 1843 in Staffordshire and he is my ancestor. He married Sarah Andrews in 1867.

Thank you so much for your help.


Yes, the earlier Hayes died:
Name:Hayes P Leger
Death Age:17 MonthsRecord Type:Burial
Birth Date:1835
Death Date:abt 1836
Burial Date:30 May 1836Burial Place:Aberystwyth St Michael, Cardiganshire, Wales

Here is one earlier entry:

Name: Richard Arthur St Leger
Baptism Date: 18 Apr 1824
Baptism Place: St. Andrew's, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Father: Barry St Leger Book binder
Mother: Sarah St Leger
Born 12 July 1823
Address: Grays Inn Lane
FHL Film Number: 374358

and there seems to be a girl too, who married in 1841

Name: Sarah Jane St Leger
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1821
Marriage Date: 21 Nov 1841
Marriage Place: Christ Church, Hoxton, Hackney, England
Father: Barry Boyle St Leger book binder
Spouse: William Martin Best
(an Emily St Leger is a witness)

The Bests seems to already be together in 1841, with a son William aged 1, and all born in county (Middlesex)

And there is an 1857 marriage for what seems to be Emily St Leger, the witness above:

Name: Emily Fisher
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 40
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1817
Marriage Date: 2 Mar 1857
Marriage Place: St Philip, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Barry St Leger book binder
Spouse: Thomas Faircloth
Emily's address is in Hoxton

Name: Amelia Ledger
Baptism Date: 21 May 1813
Baptism Place: Northampton, St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England
Father: Barrey Ledger book binder
Mother: Sarah Ledger

1841
Hoxton
John Fisher 40
Emily Fisher 25
Ann Fisher 8

1851
Hoxton Old Town
Sarah Ledger 70 married laundress Staffs, Sedgley
Emily Fisher 32 dau married book binder Northampton
Ann Fisher 18 gdau London
Wm Best 11 Gson London (I think this is Sarah Jane's son)


It all seems to fit together, with Barry as a book binder all the time, but if this is the same man then he seems to have begun his second family while his first wife was still around. So Really I am not sure!
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire

Postby gardener » Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:08 am

I also find it weird that the "posh" St Leger family have very similar first names! So there was Hayes St Leger, 2nd Viscount Doneraile (1755-1819), and his younger brother had a son called Francis Barry Boyle St Leger. The names are so similar but there can hardly be much connection to a Wolverhampton family in the workhouse! Sorry :-)
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire

Postby Robyn » Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:48 am

Hello all,

I've been trying to get my head around all of this! I'm impressed.

This find of kdwoodie has changed everything for me. The Eunice (married to Barry) I thought had died in 1847 Wolverhampton must have been Eunice the younger b. abt. 1832/33 daughter of Barry and Eunice.
Now I see that in 1861 Eunice is living with William Brown. The daughter Mary Ann aged 5 is a St Ledger and not a Brown, I think. Mary Ann St Legar birth reg. 1856 in Wolverhampton. So where is Eunice in 1851? Hayes in the workhouse? And where is son Barry (b.1841)?
Mary Ledger in 1871 a boarder she must also be related.
I now see in 1891 a Henry St Ledger aged 5 nephew born Willenall? Don't know where he fits in. Sounds like Barry St Ledger was leading a complicated life but what became of him?
Thank you for helping me to lift the lid on this family.
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Re: Musgrave or Musgrove - Eunice

Postby kdwoodie » Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:00 pm

grangers14 wrote:It's strange this?
Did you buy her death certificate to see who informed of her death? Might help a little if you haven't?

I was looking the other day but I am very slow in typing...
I have seen what Jimmy and Gardener have put, I found this...

20th May 1841. St Peter, Wolverhamton
Barry, M, Barry and Unice St Ledger, North Street, Book Binder

3rd September. 1843. St Peter, Wolverhampton.
Hayes son of Bury and Eunice St Leger, Bricklin Lane, Book Binder

26th April 1846. St Paul, Wolverhampton.
Elizabeth, F, Berry and Unice St Ledger, Bricklin Street, Book Binder

1841. North Street, Wolverhampton.
James Myatt, 30,
Mary Myatt, 30,
Frances Myatt, 7,
Daniel Myatt, 4,
Berry St Ledger, 47, Bookbinder, Scotland
Eunice St Ledger, 35,
Eunace St Ledger, 8,
Barnett? St Ledger, 1 m, born in County Barry?
All others not born in County



ST LEGER, EUNICE 40
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17 Page 267
I think this is Eunice Musgrove


ST LEDGER, HENRY ANDREWS
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 593
The son of Hayes and Sarah Andrews
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire

Postby gardener » Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:02 pm

Robyn wrote:Hello all,

Now I see that in 1861 Eunice is living with William Brown. The daughter Mary Ann aged 5 is a St Ledger and not a Brown, I think. Mary Ann St Legar birth reg. 1856 in Wolverhampton. So where is Eunice in 1851? Hayes in the workhouse? And where is son Barry (b.1841)?
Mary Ledger in 1871 a boarder she must also be related.
I now see in 1891 a Henry St Ledger aged 5 nephew born Willenall? Don't know where he fits in. Sounds like Barry St Ledger was leading a complicated life but what became of him?
Thank you for helping me to lift the lid on this family.



Is this the younger Barry in 1851?

New Invention, Wednesfield
Stephen Hope 35 head keysmith
Catherine Hope 28 wife
John Hope 2 son
William Rowley 18 ap
Abraham Hope 13 ap
Baristent Ledger 10 ap Wolverhampton

and still there in 1861

New Invention, Wednesfield
Stephen Hope 45 Head keysmith (master)
Catherine Hope 40 Wife
John Hope 12 Son
Thomas Hope 5 Son
Cornelius Lovatt 20 Apprentice
Barry St Ledger 20 Apprentice keysmith Wolverhampton
Joseph Saunders 16 Apprentice
S Jeremiah Ryan 13 Apprentice
Edwin Boycott 12 Apprentice
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire

Postby Robyn » Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:19 pm

I am confused now. Who is the Eunice aged 35 in 1841 living with William Brown? Twenty years later in 1861 she's even younger.
In the 1861 census Eunice is aged 30? Then 1871 she's 39. And in 1891 she's 65. Looks like Barry the younger living with the Hope family in 1851 & 1861.

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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire

Postby gardener » Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:17 pm

Robyn wrote:I am confused now. Who is the Eunice aged 35 in 1841 living with William Brown? Twenty years later in 1861 she's even younger.
In the 1861 census Eunice is aged 30? Then 1871 she's 39. And in 1891 she's 65. Looks like Barry the younger living with the Hope family in 1851 & 1861.

Thank you.



1841. North Street, Wolverhampton.
James Myatt, 30,
Mary Myatt, 30,
Frances Myatt, 7,
Daniel Myatt, 4,
Berry St Ledger, 47, Bookbinder, Scotland
Eunice St Ledger, 35,
Eunace St Ledger, 8,
Barnett? St Ledger, 1 m, born in County

Eunice the mother died:
ST LEGER, EUNICE 40
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17 Page 267

1851
Eunice the daughter not found

1861 Parsonage Dudley
William Brown 44 Head Mar Labourer Born Leek
Eunice Brown 30 Wife Mar Born Bristol Somerset
Mary Ann Brown 5 Daughter Scholar Born Wolverhampton
Ann Maria Brown 2 Daughter Born Dudley

1871 1 Kingston Square Harborne
William Brown 55 Head Mar Lab out of Employ Born Leek
Eunice Brown 39 Wife Mar Born Bristol Somerset
Mary A Brown 15 Daughter Nail Cutter in Factory Born Wolverhampton
Ann M Brown 12 Daughter Scholar Born Dudley
Martha Brown 9 Daughter Scholar Born Dudley
James Brown 4 Son Born Dudley Deaf & Dumb
Barry Brown 1 Son Born Harborne

1881 Woods Buildings Cross Street Harborne
William Brown Head Mar 65
Eunice Brown Wife Mar
(not transcribed)
Mary Ann Brown Daur Unm 25 Employer at ? Works Born Wolverhampton
Barry Brown Son 11 Scholar Born Smethwick
Fredrick Brown Son 6 Scholar Born Smethwick

1891 1 Court 3 House Cross Street
Eunice Brown 65 Head Wid Laundress Born Bristol Somerset
James Brown 24 Son S General Labourer Born Harts Hill Deaf & Dumb from Childhood
Frederick Brown 16 Son S General Labourer Born Smethwick
Henry Stledger 5 Nephew Scholar Born Willenhall [son of Hayes and Sarah]

All others not born in County
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire

Postby grangers14 » Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:24 pm

What do you have confirmed certificate wise Robyn?
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire

Postby Robyn » Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:43 pm

Hi grangers

I don't have any certificates for the family.
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire Jo add

Postby grangers14 » Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:14 pm

I will add to BCC.
Will take some time so will sticky this...
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire Jo add

Postby Robyn » Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:20 am

Thank you for so much help. A tricky family to fathom but I'll keep searching.
Much appreciated all you have found.
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire Jo add

Postby kdwoodie » Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:06 pm

Barry St Ledger 1841

LEGER, BARRY SAINT MORGROVE
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON AND SEISDON Volume 17 Page 381

20th May 1841. St Peter, Wolverhamton
Barry, M, Barry and Unice St Ledger, North Street, Book Binder

1841. North Street, Wolverhampton.
James Myatt, 30,
Mary Myatt, 30,
Frances Myatt, 7,
Daniel Myatt, 4,
Berry St Ledger, 47, Bookbinder, Scotland
Eunice St Ledger, 35,
Eunace St Ledger, 8,
Barnett? St Ledger, 1 m, born in County
All others not born in County

1851?
New Invention, Wednesfield
Stephen Hope 35 head keysmith
Catherine Hope 28 wife
John Hope 2 son
William Rowley 18 ap
Abraham Hope 13 ap
Baristent Ledger 10 ap Wolverhampton

and still there in 1861

New Invention, Wednesfield
Stephen Hope 45 Head keysmith (master)
Catherine Hope 40 Wife
John Hope 12 Son
Thomas Hope 5 Son
Cornelius Lovatt 20 Apprentice
Barry St Ledger 20 Apprentice keysmith Wolverhampton
Joseph Saunders 16 Apprentice
S Jeremiah Ryan 13 Apprentice
Edwin Boycott 12 Apprentice

Name: Sergeant Barry St. Ledger
Discharge Age: 36
Birth Date: abt 1844
Discharge Year: 1880
Regiment: E Battery 1st Brigade R.A.
Regimental Number: 8028
Enlisted 21st Dec 1861

St Alphege, Greenwich, Greenwich, England
2 Feb 1880
Barry St Ledger Full Bachelor Serg ? R ? Skelton Street Father Barry St. Ledger Book Binder Deceased
Mary Ann Warner Full Spinster Skelton Street Father William Warner Ironmonger Deceased
Wit 1Willaim James Selby
Wit 2 Mary Ann Selby Marked with X
Others Signed

1881 47 Cross Street Harborne
Barry H. Ledger Head Mar 37 Pensioner Born Wolverhampton
Mary Ann Ledger Wife Mar 27 Pensioners Wife Born Greenwich
Barry Hayes Ledger Son 4 Mths Born Smethwick
William Whitehouse Boarder Unm 23 Boatman Born West Bromwich

1891 33 Bampton Road Harborne
Barry M Ledger 49 Head M Time Keeper Born Wolverhampton
Mary A Ledger 37 Wife M Born Deptford
Barry H Ledger 10 Son Scholar Born Smethwick
Sidney Ledger 9 Son Scholar Born Smethwick
Frank Simmonds 17 Lodger S Bricklayer Born Smallheath
Rachel E Ledger Image says POOL 23 Wife M Born Birmingham
Walter F Pool 7 Brother Born Smethwick

Name: Barry St Ledger
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Jun 1899
Inferred Death Place: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 6d
Page: 65

1901 144 Hockley Street Birmingham
Mary Ann St. Ledger Head Wid 47 Newsagent & Tobacconist Own Account at Home Born Deptford London
Barry St. Ledger Son S 21 Carter Employer Born Smethwick
Sidney St. Ledger Son 19 Copper Wire? Employer Born Smethwick
James Brown Nephew S 35 Lead ? Employer Born Smethwick Deaf & Dumb (Son of Eunice and William Brown )


BARRY THE SON

ST LEDGER, BARRY HAYES WARNER
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in KING'S NORTON Volume 06C Page 495
Name: Barry Hayes St.Ledger
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 9 Jun 1881
Baptism Place: Smethwick, Stafford, England
Father:
Barry St.Ledger St.Ledger
Mother:
Mary Ann St.Ledger
FHL Film Number: 6085662
Reference ID: fiche 9 p 259

St. Paul Birmingham
1 Aug 1925
Barry St. Ledger 39 Bachelor Traveller 147 Unett Street Father Barry Hayes St. Ledger Blacksmith Deceased
Louisa Lloyd 31 Spinster 147 Unett Street Father William Andrew Lloyd ? Drawer
Wit 1 Arthur Thomas Willatt
Wit 2 Mary Ellen St Ledger
All Signed

Name: Louisa St Ledger
Death Age: 41
Birth Date: abt 1894
Registration Date: Jul 1935
[Aug 1935]
[Sep 1935]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 495

1939 3/147 Unett Street Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Barrie H St Lodger M 28 Nov 1881 W Publicity Agent

2nd Marriage
Name: Barry H St Ledger
Registration Date: Jul 1943
[Aug 1943]
[Sep 1943]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Spouse: Ada Petford
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 758

Name: Ada St-ledger
Death Age: 88
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1896
Registration Date: Dec 1984
Registration District: Sandwell
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 33
Page: 1136

Name: Ada St Ledger
Register Type: Cremation
Death Date: 21 Dec 1984
Burial or Cremation Date: 2 Jan 1985
Burial or Cremation Place: West Midlands, England

Name: Barry H St Ledger
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: abt 1881
Registration Date: Apr 1946
[May 1946]
[Jun 1946]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 553

SIDNEY
STLEDGER, SIDNEY WARNER
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 06C Page 483

Birmingham, St Paul
13 Sep 1903
Sydney Ledger 22 Bachelor Tube ? 3/59 Newhall Hill Barony Ledger Soldier Deceased
Laura Barton 20 Spinster 6/59 Newhall Hill George Barton Labourer
Wit 1 Barry Ledger
Wit 2 Annie Elizabeth ?
Laura Marked with X
Others Signed

1911 6 Back 19 Moreton Street Birmingham
Sydney St Ledger Head 30 Married Cycle Trade Enameler Born Smethwick
Laura St. Ledger Wife 27 Married Born Birmingham
May St. Ledger Daughter 5 Born Birmingham
Married 8 Years 3 Children 2 Living 1 Died

1939 26 Stephens Street Birmingham
Sydney St Ledger M 57 M 31 Mar 1882 Motor Driver
Laura St Ledger F 55 M 22 Aug 1884 Polisher Cycle Works

Name: Sidney St Ledger
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: abt 1882
Registration Date: Apr 1955
[May 1955]
[Jun 1955]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 521

Name: Sidney St Ledger [Sydney St Ledger]
Death Date: 2 May 1955
Death Place: Birmingham, England
Probate Date: 28 Jun 1955
Probate Registry: Birmingham, England
ST. LEDGER Sidney otherwise Sydney of 26 Stephens Road Selly Oak Birmingham died 2 May 1955 at Selly Oak Hospital Probate Birmingham 28 June to George Charles Woodward Greengrocer. Effects £717 10s 8d.

Name: Laura St Ledger
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: abt 1885
Registration Date: Jan 1955
[Feb 1955]
[Mar 1955]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 711

ST LEGER, MARY ELLEN BARTON
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 2

ST LEDGER, ELSIE BARTON
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 93
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire Jo add

Postby Robyn » Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:17 pm

My goodness kdwoodie I wasn't expecting all of this family information! Thank you for searching, giving your time and finding so much more about them.
I'm busy working my way through it all.

I do really appreciate this.
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire Jo add

Postby kdwoodie » Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:48 pm

Have started to add to BCC here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =732347951

Will try and finish adding more later.

Not sure about adding the London Family.
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Re: 1851 St Liger, Ledger, Leger, Legar Staffordshire Jo add

Postby kdwoodie » Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:50 pm

I think i have added everything to BCC here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =941613836
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