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James Dunn junior

Postby Marchesgirl » Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:36 am

James Dunn junior was baptised at St. Michael's Church, Brierley Hill on 11th February 1781, the son of James Dunn and Sarah nee Forrest https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=500686. He was an older brother to my 3x great grandfather, Silas Dunn. James married Sarah, they had 11 children and lived at Angel Street, Stourbridge in 1841 and 1851; James was a Fruit Dealer. James died in 1852, aged 71 and was buried at St. Mary's Church, Oldswinford. Sarah died in 1866, aged 77, and was also buried at Oldswinford.

I'm trying to determine the identity of Sarah who married James. There are two marriages between a James Dunn and Sarah, both in 1810 (which fits well with the birth of my James and Sarah's first child in 1812) and both at St. Thomas's Church, Dudley where 4 of James's brothers were married:

25th June 1810 James Dunn otp. bachelor m. Sarah Mallen otp. spinster. By Banns. Both signed their names. Wits: James Dunn & Richd. Bond.
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27th December 1810 James Dunn otp. bachelor m. Sarah Drury otp. spinster. By Banns. Both made mark. Wits: Richard Webb & Mark Bond.

I considered the possibility that the same James married both Sarah's but this seems unlikely given that James who married Sarah Mallen could sign his name but James who married Sarah Drury couldn't. Also, I haven't been able to find a burial for a Sarah Dunn between June and December 1810.

My thinking is that Sarah Mallen is most likely - the witness, James Dunn, could be James junior's father and 4 of James's brothers could sign their names so it seems likely that he would be able to sign his name too.

I haven't been able to track down any wills so I'm struggling to think how I might prove Sarah's identity. I'd welcome any comments/suggestions.
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby grangers14 » Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:29 pm

This James on BCC?
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... i=96424739

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https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=504298

Christening. Freereg
11th February 1781. St Michael, Brierley Hill.
James, son of James and Sarah Dunn

Christening. Freereg.
7th October 1789. Park Lane Chapel, Cradley.
Silas, son of James and Sarah Dunn. Dunn’s Bank in the parish of Kingswinford

Could this be Richard who was one of the witnesses to Silas and Hannah’s marriage?
Christening. Freereg.
10th February 1788. St Michael, Brierley Hill.
Richard, son of James and Sarah Dunn
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby Marchesgirl » Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:37 pm

Yes, Grangers14, the links you have posted are James junior and James senior. The children of James senior and Sarah nee Forrest are:

Baptised at St. Michael's Church, Brierley Hill
07-02-1779 Jos. James & Sarah
11-02-1781 James James & Sarah
10-02-1788 Richd. James & Sarah
10-02-1788 Eliz. James & Sarah

Baptised at Park Lane Presbyterian
07-10-1789 Silus James & Sarah Dunns Bank, Kingswinford
22-01-1792 Hannah James & Sarah Dunns Bank, Kingswinford
23-03-1794 Let James & Sarah Dunns Bank, Kingswinford
15-05-1796 Ishmael James & Sarah Dunns Bank, Kingswinford
13-10-1800 Reuben James & Sarah Dunns Bank, Kingswinford

James senior and Sarah may have had another child, William, born circa 1777 who married Sarah Whitaker but no baptism has been found for him.

Apologies for the delay in replying.
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby grangers14 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:50 pm

I have added most info I can find.
I can not see anything to confirm Sarah's maiden name.
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =816509802

Do you want this to brickwalls?
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby Waltzer7 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:06 pm

Name: James Dunn
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 25 Jun 1810
Marriage Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Spouse: Sarah Mallen
FHL Film Number: 378762, 378763, 378764, 378765, 378766, 378767, 378768, 378769, 378770

Name: James Dunn
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 25 Jun 1810
Marriage Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Spouse: Sarah Maullin
FHL Film Number: 328844

Name: Sarah Drury
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 27 Dec 1810
Marriage Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Spouse: James Dunn
FHL Film Number: 378762, 378763, 378764, 378765, 378766, 378767, 378768, 378769, 378770
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby grangers14 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:29 pm

Thank you Waltzer for that...what Sarah though? :? Or is there another Sarah? :?
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby Waltzer7 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:36 pm

grangers14 wrote:Thank you Waltzer for that...what Sarah though? :? Or is there another Sarah? :?


One of these Sarahs married James Dunn (bpt: 11 Feb 1781 - 1852) Son of James Dunn (bpt: 4 Dec 1743 - ?) who married Sarah Forrest (bpt: 16 March 1755 - ?) I've originally had Sarah down as Sarah Drury (1789 - Dec 1866), daughter of Cornelius Drury/Drewry/Drew and Esther Pardoe (1761 - 1835) but I had not seen the other marriage until Marchesgirl brought it up in her original message above.

James Dunn being one of the witnesses at James Dunn's marriage to Sarah Mullen has given me food for thought... but which James Dunn would it be, the father of the groom or nephew James (1805 - ?), son of William Dunn (born: 10 Sept 1777 - Dec 1852) and Sarah, nee Whitaker (1783 - 1862)?

Sarah Drury was baptised on 29 November 1789 at Oldswinford so her age ties in nicely with ages mentioned on Census records.

I'm going to find a baptism for Sarah Mallen, see what turns up...
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby Waltzer7 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:52 am

I have only found two possibilities on FreeReg: -

Sarah Mallen baptised 16 May 1784 at All Saints, West Bromwich. Parents: William Mallen and Mary.

Sarah Mallin baptised 26 October 1787 at Darkhouse Baptist Chapel, Coseley. Parents: Benjamin Maulin and Margrett.
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby Marchesgirl » Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:43 pm

A Sarah Mallen was baptised at St. Mary's Church, Kingswinford on 12th April 1789, the daughter of Joseph & Hannah Mallen (source: Family Search).
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby grangers14 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:51 pm

I think we should move this to brickwalls as we have no evidence at the moment till more information may be available?

Just guess work at the moment... :?
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby Waltzer7 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:43 pm

Marchesgirl wrote:A Sarah Mallen was baptised at St. Mary's Church, Kingswinford on 12th April 1789, the daughter of Joseph & Hannah Mallen (source: Family Search).


Found this baptism on Ancestry: -

Sarah Mallen
Baptism Date: 12/04/1789
Baptism Place: Kingswinford,Stafford,England
Father: Joseph Mallen
Mother: Hannah
FHL Film Number: 417203

Looking for clues, hoping to find Sarah Mullen's siblings, etc...

I couldn't find a marriage for Joseph Mallen and Hannah but found a death for Joseph Mallen:-

Joseph Mallen
Age: 77
Birth Date: 1718
Death Place: Kingswinford, Stafford, England
Burial Date: 12 Dec 1795
FHL Film Number: 1040001Reference IDp60
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby grangers14 » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:03 pm

I will move this tomorrow to Brickwalls...
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Re: James Dunn junior

Postby Marchesgirl » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:33 pm

Waltzer7 wrote:Found this baptism on Ancestry: -

Sarah Mallen
Baptism Date: 12/04/1789
Baptism Place: Kingswinford,Stafford,England
Father: Joseph Mallen
Mother: Hannah
FHL Film Number: 417203

Looking for clues, hoping to find Sarah Mullen's siblings, etc...

I couldn't find a marriage for Joseph Mallen and Hannah but found a death for Joseph Mallen:-

Joseph Mallen
Age: 77
Birth Date: 1718
Death Place: Kingswinford, Stafford, England
Burial Date: 12 Dec 1795
FHL Film Number: 1040001Reference IDp60


From Family Search - children of Joseph & Hannah Mallen / Mallin - all baptised at Parish Church, Kingswinford:
21-04-1783 Lydia
30-01-1785 Mary
12-04-1789 Sarah
31-07-1791 Joseph
29-12-1793 Elizabeth
28-02-1796 Ann
18-03-1798 Priscilla
28-09-1800 Michael
25-09-1803 Moses
18-05-1806 James

From Family Search - children of Cornelius & Esther Drury - all baptised at Parish Church, Oldswinford:
13-02-1785 Benjamin
06-01-1788 Nancy
29-11-1789 Sarah
04-12-1791 Elizabeth
30-10-1796 Joseph
17-02-1799 William
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